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men when they get a family when they get a wife and they have children they work really hard at accumulating resources to

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pass down as a legacy to their offspring for their future Generations so uh to

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preserve their you know from a strictly atheist world view you know you would see this passing your genetic material

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into the future from a Christian worldview we see it more as like leaving a patriarchal Legacy of provision and

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protection for your future Generations um and she didn't want any of that she

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said everyone's Allegiance should be to the state and fathers get in the way of that so

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they have to be removed

Opening

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welcome to the Renaissance of men podcast my name is Will Spencer my guest this week is Rachel Wilson and she's a

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mother of five a patriarchalist and the author of The excellent book occult feminism the secret history of women's

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Liberation she went digging into history and found that women have not been as historically oppressed as we've been

1:00

told the authentic history of women has been scrubbed from textbooks by second and third wave feminists seeking to

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cement their historical Narrative of women as Cosmic victims then and here's the crucial part these feminists cover

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the tracks of their first wave feminist forebears many of whom were occultists theosophists kabbalists and Mystics not

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to mention marxists and Communists and they were funded by wealthy industrialists the elites who were into

1:25

many of these same practices in other words as hard as this may be to believe and I'll say it slowly first wave

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feminism and luciferianism are inextricably linked so if you are still struggling to free yourself from the

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illusion of first wave feminism as merely about politics or economics please go pick up Rachel Wilson's book

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occult feminism through her vital work of reading the primary source documents herself she uncovered that the true

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history of feminism is of anti-christian spiritual warfare May the truths that she's discovered set you free in our

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conversation Rachel and I discussed her upbringing and background the anti-suffrage movement and the truth of

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Susan B Anthony feminism's false promises of safety to women Christianity versus americanism how our culture

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fear-mongers motherhood and Rachel's work with pearl from just pearly things if you enjoy the Renaissance of men

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podcast thank you please like this video share it and subscribe plus leave a comment down below letting us know if

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you've accepted the truth about first wave feminism and please welcome this week's guest on the podcast the author

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of occult feminism Rachel Wilson Rachel thanks so much for joining me on the podcast thank you so much for much for me glad

Rachel Wilson Introduction

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to be here so uh my listeners know that back in February of this year I did a

2:39

presentation called exiting the new age so I had spent about 20 years wandering

2:44

through the new age until I finally found my way to Christ in 2020. the the great blessing of my life and so earlier

2:50

this year I did a long presentation sort of taking the new age apart and the day that I gave the presentation I

2:57

discovered your book and it was it was it was it was too late for spooky it was

3:02

super spooky I was actually kind of frustrated I was like oh wow because you talked about you know Annie basant and Alice Bailey and the theosophical

3:09

society and all of which I got into and so I wasn't able to incorporate any of your material but I did get to put it on

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screen so I've been looking forward to talking to you since then to dig into the subject matter of the book

3:20

well that's that's excellent to hear

3:25

that sort of stuff myself probably one of the like rarer cases of

3:30

people that didn't ever have like a big falling away and then come back or something like that but yeah I certainly

3:36

didn't expect to find when I started research for this book four years ago now that you know I

3:43

thought it was going to be a book about like the economic aspects of feminism and who funded it and things like that

3:49

and as I was profiling most of the famous like earlier suffragettes and and

3:55

feminist activists from the 17 1800s around the Victorian era I was like

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really surprised to find that most not just a few but most of them were into

4:07

theosophy uh esotericism of various forms and I thought well this is seems

4:13

to be a really huge influence so I can't leave that out um so it really had to be a part of the

4:18

story I don't think it's not often included in the mainstream academic you know version of feminist history but it

4:25

was a huge huge influence on feminism itself so I definitely had to cover that in the

4:32

book so before we get into the book can we talk a little bit about your background I see you've been on Fox News and did

4:38

that help influence some of some of the research here like how did you how did you decide to write a book on feminism

4:44

in the first place it's kind of strange the the fact

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ly um I was actually raised by I think I had a kind of typical Gen X setup where

4:59

I had a very feminist Marxist educated mother and then kind of like a a

5:05

conservative Patriot Rush Limbaugh dad right and interesting to the surprise of

5:11

no one uh that didn't work out and they divorced when I was a child um did not see that coming

5:17

yeah who could have who could have seen it right um but it gave me these two different

5:23

worlds growing up right to I be with my mom and hear like one version of her

5:29

world view and then be with my dad and hear a completely different one and as a kid you know you're not political or anything like that you're

5:35

just trying to make sense of stuff and I saw what that did to my mother

5:40

and didn't think I wanted to follow that and I saw the cognitive dissonance as well so when I got out of the house at

5:48

19 um I thought I made the typical mistake that most of us make because of the culture we live in which is I can just

5:55

move in with my boyfriend we'll get married you know we're going to get married it's going to happen and but we

6:01

can just move in together because it's practical and we can pay the bills and I don't have to live with my parents

6:06

anymore and um had my first daughter at 20 which was a surprise but I was very happy because

6:13

I always thought I would have children at some point and I thought well it's a little sooner than I thought but this is

6:19

all fine right uh that didn't quite work out for me um another shocker living with your

6:25

boyfriend is not the best idea and so uh he kind of had a different view of

6:31

what he wanted to do with his life and had some of his own personal issues going on and he left so here I am a

6:37

single mom at 20. I was already pregnant with number two and I thought how did I get here I I fully never

6:44

intended on being a single mom I wanted to do anything possible to avoid that for my kids because it wasn't good for

6:50

me growing up and I kind of started to just ask a lot of questions about you know I wasn't the type of person that

6:56

you would expect that I was never promiscuous I wasn't a huge partier or anything so I was like how did I get

7:02

here and why you know why is everyone I know a single mom why do all of the moms

7:07

work because I didn't want to as soon as I had my daughter I really wanted to stay home and nobody around me supported

7:14

that either because I would say you know if I had the choice if I had like a husband who was financially stable and I

7:21

could stay home which is you know what I got shortly thereafter by the grace of God um that's what I would do it and I

7:28

thought it makes no sense for me to pay half of what I make to give that money to someone oh else just a different

7:34

woman to be a stand-in for me all day every day to do what I should be doing which is raise my own children and when

7:41

I would say this to the women around me I would get so much pushback and I thought I'm pretty sure I'm making sense

7:48

you know and so I got very good at defending my ideas and my choices of

7:54

course I did find a really fantastic guy got remarried had three more children stayed home uh homeschooled them which

8:02

was another thing I had no support in from the people around me even people who were Christian who were more

8:07

conservative so again I'm here I am defending what I think are like historically very normal values and

8:15

choices in my life um and everyone around me is telling me it's dangerous you know you you have to

8:20

have your own money you have to have a career because if you don't your husband's going to become abusive or

8:26

what if he leaves you and just all this fear-mongering about motherhood and and you know staying home and homeschooling

8:32

what if your kids turn out weird what if they don't get properly educated just all so I got very good at like arguing

8:39

these things to people and defending my own choices which is kind of how I got

8:46

into the idea of writing the book my kids started to get older my oldest

8:51

three became adults and I'm in my mid-40s now and so I said to my husband

8:56

you know the kids are almost we're almost done like we only have six seven more years before they're all adults

9:02

maybe I should think about you know what I want to do I want to be a very involved grandmother

9:08

and and work with my church and things but you know I have a lot of talents and what do you think I should do and he said you know you're really good at kind

9:15

of Defending motherhood and homeschooling and and knocking down feminism and almost no women are doing

9:23

that maybe you should read a book or something and I had other friends at the time like Aaron Clary who's an author

9:28

and a streamer and he was like you know I really think you should throw your hat in the ring and give it a shot so I

9:33

thought okay I don't know if anyone's ever going to read this book but but you know I'll put one together and see see

9:39

what happens um so the book came out and the next month it was it didn't do a lot you know

9:46

because I'm not I don't have a publisher it's self-published I thought maybe no one but my dad and I would ever read it

9:52

and a month after I got asked by uh the editor of the gab news blog to write a

9:58

piece about homeschooling during the pandemic because we saw this huge rise in homeschooling because of that was

10:03

kind of an unexpected consequence of lockdown pounds so I wrote this article and it kind of went viral and the

10:11

producers from Tucker Carlson saw it and asked if I would come on and talk about that so that's actually what my Tucker

10:17

appearance was about was about homeschooling and kind of taking back the culture via reclaiming motherhood

10:24

and educating our own children rather than having the state raise our kids and educate them so after that of course uh

10:32

the book picked up steam because I was getting a lot of exposure on social media and it kind of been going nuts

10:39

ever since then so just right place right time a little bit and also I think because the red pill

10:45

like dating shows are so popular right now and there's very few women on my

10:52

side of the aisle at all and even less of us are approaching it from kind of a historic academic kind of an approach

11:00

yeah it sounds like it sounds like a Confluence of a bunch of factors I think that there are a lot of men and women

11:07

well men have been asking questions about feminism for a while that's the origin of the red pill which has its

11:12

origins in the pickup days right where they discover their big quote-unquote sociological experiment about how

11:18

feminism was lying and then that all got adapted into red pill and now it's spreading to women who are finally

11:24

asking questions about feminism the same way you have it's like why am I getting pushback when I say I want to stay home

11:29

with my kids what's going on there yeah yeah just this there's a very

11:34

anti-natalist attitude that goes along with all of this that I mean we've been dealing with that for over a century now

11:40

this idea that humans are bad for the planet and babies are gonna you know uh somehow contribute to climate change or

11:48

overpopulation and so you the rhetoric is very anti-child like every female

11:53

comedian a lot of sitcoms a lot of the pop culture stuff is very like ew children are icky and and uh what do you

12:01

want to be just a baby Factory I mean some of the things that people say to me on social media are pretty rough so I

12:08

know I can be a little bit uh provocative on Twitter sometimes but believe me it's not like any of the

12:13

women who don't like my ideas are kind to me you know you know they make all

12:19

kinds of assumptions I must be stupid I must be lazy I just couldn't hack it in the career world I must be brainwashed

12:26

or being an abusive marriage like all these kinds of just presumptions that if you're not a feminist you are the one

12:34

who broke The Sisterhood and you are the one who must have an issue that kind of a thing

12:39

and I think more and more women are encountering that they're looking at their lives in the career world or

12:45

looking at the lives of women who are a generation ahead of them in the career world and seeing that they're unfulfilled they're lonely they're

12:51

depressed so uh antidepressant use is skyrocketing Etc and they're trying to find another path to travel and as soon

12:59

as they start to change and start to make another path of being a homemaker of being a mother they experience all

13:05

this pushback in the same way that you it's like what's going on there yeah it's it's very wild when you you

13:13

think you're saying something that seems so natural you know you have this precious baby and and you're so in love

13:19

with your newborn and the last thing you want to do is be separated from your

13:26

brand new child for hours a day maybe 40 50 hours a week and it's like oh I get to see my child a

13:34

couple hours in the evening and maybe a little on the weekend and then the rest of my life is about working and waging

13:40

and paying taxes and increasing the GDP or something like that and yeah it's very like you start to just ask yourself

13:47

why like how did we get here how is this the normal thing and then you know when I did start doing some

13:53

research and I found oh we have crashing birth rates there's no risk of overpopulation we are we've been well

14:00

below replacement for decades in most of the world why don't I ever hear about that and then you see

14:07

um you know studies where they say that in just three to four more years we're going to be in a situation where half of

14:13

women are not going to have children in the west yeah half that's never

14:19

historically happened and you think that can't be good right so why is why is the

14:25

whole culture telling me that you know I'm a loser for wanting to stay home with my child uh I've had people say

14:32

things to me like oh it's such a shame you never did anything with your life people who think they're my friends like

14:39

these are women who these are my friends yeah and they went off to University and got degrees you know and they maybe had

14:45

one child and and their attitude towards me is oh Rachel you're so smart and you're so talented it's such a shame you

14:51

never did anything with any of that and I would just be like first of all ouch like why did you think

14:58

that was okay to say but second of all I've raised five really great human beings who all turned out to be like

15:06

high achieving very functional very mature educated very moral people who are going to go

15:12

off into the world make it better why is that not a valid thing to do with my life so yeah and it you know it kind of

15:18

made me mad I get a little frustrated with it so uh I guess you know my

15:24

husband's idea about it was most women don't want to go against that grain they

15:30

don't want to be the only fish swimming Upstream when all the other fish are swimming Downstream and he's like you

15:35

kind of have a thick skin about it you can kind of take it pretty well um therefore you know since I understand

15:42

these things since I have this information since I've spent years studying how we got here

15:48

it's kind of like I have a bit of an obligation to dispel some of the myths and to make life more comfortable for

15:55

women who are trying to do what I'm trying to do right and that's luckily that's the feedback I've gotten I get

16:01

messages daily multiple messages on social media through my email on my

16:07

YouTube channel from women saying you know I want to be a stay-at-home mom and I just had a child and I don't want to

16:13

go back to work and my mother doesn't approve or my sister thinks it's a bad idea and you've kind of helped me find a

16:21

way to articulate you know a good reasoning behind my choices as well and you've given me some confidence in doing

16:27

that so that's really all I'm trying to do is not take rights away from women and

16:34

force them back into the kitchen and chain them to a stove no no no it's more just I want it to be a valid and uh

16:42

venerated choice to dedicate yourself to Motherhood in a serious way to be proud

16:48

of being a good wife to have a spirit of appreciation and cooperation with your

16:54

husband rather than the spirit of like combativeness and cooperation so to me

16:59

it's it's pretty sensible it's pretty historically normal yet in this day and

17:05

time I'm kind of like all alone on on one side of the spectrum here with just a handful of other women so yeah I think

17:12

it's going to be a lot more soon but I appreciate you highlighting that the pushback the most extreme pushback comes

17:19

from women yeah Sisterhood it's a it's a real thing and you try and point it out the way that women can be absolutely

17:25

vicious to each other about these issues there's there's almost nothing that's less tolerated on social media than to

17:31

actually point out the existence of The Sisterhood that keeps women locked into this way of being because women are so

17:37

agreeable like as Jordan Peterson says trait agreeableness women are naturally higher in it so they don't want to break

17:42

that Sisterhood but there's such an honorable Cadre of women that are trying to do that that are doing that and I

17:49

regard them as very brave to do so yeah it's not easy I will tell you that

17:54

I get plenty of hey I have a whole folder of hate mail on my phone that I sometimes I like to read it for Chuckles

18:00

just to show how insane and and like what the cognitive dissonance looks like it's like women who are telling me that

18:08

they're feminists because they want women to be heard they want them to have choice they want them to be free to do

18:14

what they want to do with their life are the same women saying I hope your husband cheats on you I can't wait until

18:20

he leaves you I hope your children grow up and never speak to you again uh you

18:26

know you shouldn't you should never be on social media get off social media and I'm just like wait everyone else has a

18:33

every woman's voice deserves to be heard except for mine apparently you know so it's just it's endless cognitive

18:40

dissonance and all you have to do is just be a little bit rational to just knock it down endlessly and that's one

18:45

of the reasons I do a lot of live stream debates because uh number one it's fun

18:50

for me it's like a kind of a competitive intellectual sport but also because it's

18:55

a very good way to highlight how irrational the entire ideology is how

19:01

when you try to poke logical holes in it it completely collapses it's not that hard to do it's just that very few

19:09

people want to stick their neck out and do it yeah it's very emotionally charged and I think some of that your book

19:15

helped me understand because whenever I see something these days irrational that's highly emotionally charged I

19:23

naturally start thinking there's some sort of spiritual manipulation going on right people don't get worked up over

19:28

intellectual ideas and I think you put your finger on something in the book yeah absolutely in the book I say

19:35

um it wasn't me who said it actually I quote Susanna Budapest who is uh she was

19:40

one of the first witches to legally have a witch Covenant in the United States she came here from Czech Republic in the

19:46

60s I believe uh less communism there came here and went to San Francisco

19:51

where things were pretty liberal and she fought for Religious Freedom for because

19:57

witchcraft was actually illegal here until the 70s and she had a like a witch

20:03

coven that was open in public and it was challenged and she went to court and said you know we have religious freedom

20:09

here uh you can't tell me I can't be a witch and she won and she said that

20:16

feminism is simply the political arm of a spiritual battle it's just the

20:22

political arm of this greater spiritual warfare we're in and that's why I had to explain how these early feminists saw

20:29

Christianity as the enemy because they saw it as patriarchal and oppressive and they saw Lucifer as their Liberator

20:36

openly people may not know that these seemingly benign figures like Susan B

20:42

Anthony and Elizabeth Cady you know the the typical suffragettes that we all hear about and they're only ever spoken

20:48

of in a positive light I mean for Pete's sake president Trump posthumously

20:53

pardoned Susan B Anthony for her illegal voting uh stuff that she

20:58

was doing they're just spoken of as these sweet little old ladies who were just uh you know trying to help the

Sweet Little Ladies

21:04

women and it's like no they were openly declaring Lucifer as their mascot as

21:09

their symbol of being a liberator and people aren't aware that there's this

21:15

deeper philosophical and religious and spiritual ideology underpinning all of

21:20

this stuff well let's get into that because you know when you start pushing back on feminism you'll get a lot of feminists

21:26

to say oh you know all the man-hating stuff that's just all radical feminism that's that's since the 1960s like

21:32

before that it was just about equal rights that's really what what it was about so that seems to be that period of

21:38

time the late you know late 1800s early 1900s seems to have branded itself as like that's the pure feminism and that's

21:45

one of that's one of my favorite parts of your book is like you show that's not exactly what was going on so let's start

21:50

there and maybe we can work our way forwards in time and show how this theme of occultism has has wound its way to

21:57

today yeah so this is probably the thing I talk about the most because it's the

22:02

least well known and when people find out this information they're pretty shocked and a lot of

22:09

times in some disbelief and it's like wait wait I have to I have to look into this because who's this random lady and

22:14

why should I trust her and why should I believe her and I knew when this book came out that the claims were going to be highly contested so I was very

22:21

methodical inciting all of my sources and I've done even a lot more since the

22:26

book came out in that regard but yeah it was never this

22:31

it was never the Grassroots movement that everyone's been told it was so if you do a man on the street and just ask

22:38

a random person what do you think life was like for women before they got the vote right you'll get a general answer

22:45

of oh it was it was slavish and they were oppressed and they had no freedom and they couldn't do anything and they

22:51

were just stuck in their house and I'll even hear things like people will assert oh women couldn't read they weren't

22:57

allowed to go to school uh they could never have a job or own anything that's

23:02

really what people think none of that is true so I take a few chapters in the

23:07

book to debunk that but I think it's really important to understand why do people think that why does the general

23:14

public have this idea that life for women prior to 1920 was you know nasty

23:20

British and short because it's kind of awful existence and there's a very good reason

23:26

um all of the anti-suffrage movement all of the kind of

23:32

nasty truth about the early first wave feminist movement has been removed from

23:38

textbooks it has been literally removed from the historical record by women's

23:43

studies departments at universities who gatekeep the information and their uh

23:49

reasoning of why this is okay is something called standpoint Theory now standpoint theory is the idea that comes

23:57

from Marxism it was developed by uh just three women primarily Sandra Harding and

24:03

and then two other ladies she was working with who of course are all Rockefeller funded uh that they

24:09

developed this Marxist theory that the truth any idea of of objective truth or

24:15

that there's an objective historical timeline is not only problematic but dangerous and we either need to do away

24:22

with the idea of historical truth altogether or we need to radically redefine it so standpoint Theory says

24:29

sure the history looks a certain way but that's only because you're not looking

24:35

at it from the standpoint of the oppressed woman so they bake all these

24:41

presumptions into what an oppressed woman is and then they literally rewrite

24:46

the history to fit that narrative now they think that this is perfectly Justified because they're basing it on

24:52

Marxist philosophy and post-modernism and lots of deep philosophical stuff

24:58

I've got a podcast coming out maybe six weeks with um Joseph Everett from the what I've

25:05

learned YouTube channel where we go like super deep on that if in case anybody wants to it's kind of nerdy but

25:12

basically they felt justified in rewriting the history because they wanted it to be told how they

25:18

wanted it to be told now this isn't just me saying this uh there's a professor

25:24

who I believe he's passed now but his name was Joseph C Miller and he's a historian most of his work centers

25:31

around like uh slavery history and things like that but he also does quite a bit on feminism and suffrage and he

25:38

had a whole piece that he wrote which displayed this he took the 13 Mainline

25:44

textbooks that have been used in universities over the last century or so and he documented how early on there was

25:52

a lot in the textbooks about the anti-suffrage movement which people don't know was much bigger than the

25:58

pro-suffrage movement yep there were always far more women involved in

26:04

anti-suffrage groups they had membership in these groups they would debate the suffragettes there was Far bigger

26:12

participation among women and anti-suffrage groups than pro-suffrage groups suffragists would actually block

26:19

referendums letting women vote on whether they wanted to vote like can you imagine more irony than that and the

26:26

reason is because there were a couple referendums that were done around the turn of the century in States like

26:32

Massachusetts it's where only four percent of women said they wanted to vote and there were brilliant arguments

26:39

and pamphlets and political tracks written by anti-suffrage women who had very valid and a wonderful arguments as

26:47

to why they didn't want the vote um and the suffragettes didn't like that and they had a PR problem anyway because

26:53

a lot of their a lot of the people who are at the Forefront of the suffrage movement were

26:59

highly unlikable uh they tended to be uh free love Advocates prostitutes or

27:06

unmarried women who never had children things of that nature so they didn't

27:12

want these referendums going on at all because it just really looked bad and it just made suffrage for

27:18

women more and more unpopular so they blocked those referendums so the people saying women deserve to have the

27:24

vote but don't let them vote on whether they want the vote because they just don't know what's good for them right

27:30

they don't they just don't know what what's really good for them so we can't let them vote on it but they should vote

27:36

you know the and it was crazy and this is why uh it was so unpopular for so long because people aren't that stupid

27:43

stupid look at this and be like this is bizarre uh so yeah the reason people

27:49

have the presumptions they do about history and even women who will go and get a gender studies degree or a women's

27:55

studies degree will be like Rachel you're but you're wrong I paid forty

28:00

thousand dollars for a master's degree in women's studies and and that's not the information I got how could you

28:06

possibly have the correct information and it's because I took years of digging into the actual primary sources through

28:13

things like the Rockefeller archives um some of the stuff that's been preserved there are lots of

28:20

anti-suffrage tracks and pamphlets that have been preserved and then people like Joseph Miller who have put that stuff

28:27

out there and then I also spent a really a really long amount of time reading the

28:33

actual writings of the of the suffragettes and the feminist activists of the 1800s myself

28:40

which is why I don't feel bad about asking for money for my book because let me tell you if you have to sit here and

28:45

read a bunch of Alice Bailey and Annie Bessant and Margaret Fuller and Mary Wollstonecraft I'm taking one for the

28:52

team you guys I read all that stuff so that you don't have to because it's terrible it's awful it's really uh

28:59

it's also really really radical so a lot of the stuff that you're seeing now that people think is new like the gender

29:04

abolition stuff the um you can transform into any thing that you want to

29:10

transform into stuff this all comes out of this period in the 1800s when there

29:16

were dozens in fact 80 over 80 experimental utopian socialist

29:22

communities in the United States alone and these people were experimenting with gender swapping and switching gender

29:28

roles and um things like vegan diets and the stuff that seems like it's new and recent oh

29:35

no it was all going on back then in these communities and what happened is

29:41

during the Industrial Revolution we got these extremely wealthy philanthropists philanthropists right the Gilded Age

29:48

billionaires of the world who had uh Nuvo reach money that people really

29:54

hadn't had up until that time and they saw an opportunity to use universities and then later entities like the United

30:01

Nations to capture these institutions and use them for social engineering and

30:07

feminism was one of the main things they wanted to push now why did they want to push that right

30:13

that's that's the second question people ask well Rachel but why why if women

30:18

didn't want to be liberated from marriage and family and motherhood then then how did we get here how do we get

30:25

all of this right well if you were a wealthy Gilded Age industrialist who had

30:31

you know most of these people went on to be senators or presidents or vice presidents or were closely entangled

30:37

with the most powerful people of the time those people needed lots of cheap labor

30:43

you have all these factories expanding you need a larger pool of Cheaper labor and at first they tried to do that with

30:49

immigration bringing in you know low-wage immigrants but there just wasn't really enough they couldn't get

30:54

enough fast enough and there was some objection to mass immigration at the time so they thought well we could get the

31:01

women out of the home and into the factories we can get lots of cheap labor labor overnight and then there were two

31:08

other benefits to this in 1913 the same little handful of people who funded

31:13

suffrage were the same handful of people who went to the Jekyll Island Club in 1913 and created the Federal Reserve

31:20

System the income tax and kind of snuck it through over the Christmas holiday in

31:26

a very sneaky way and they thought okay this is another great thing about feminism if we can push women out of the

31:32

home and convince them that they need to have their own money and they can have more income and you know you don't want

31:37

to stay at home all day with kids you want to go work in a factory doesn't that sound great ladies well now we've

31:43

also doubled our income tax base overnight and then the third benefit is okay if

31:49

both parents are off working in the factories where are the kids gonna go well they had just also built this

31:55

compulsory public education system and the public education system came out

32:01

of the Prussian model which was designed to create very good soldiers and very good Factory

32:06

workers who were conditioned to show up on time you know respond when the bell rings you know you take your break when

32:13

the bell rings you go to lunch when the bell rings when the bell rings again you come back to work and and you're trained

32:19

and conditioned to do these things for the state on behalf of the state so if

32:25

the moms are at work we can say oh they have to go to the state-run public education system now where the state can

32:33

indoctrinate the children with whatever views are conducive to State Control to

32:39

expanding the welfare system and this worked really well if you take the

32:44

number of out of wedlock births from 1960 to 2010 and plot them on a graph

32:49

they go up like this it was only about five percent of children were born out of wedlock in 1960. by 2010 that number

32:57

became 41 percent now if you take a look at welfare spending and you plot that on a graph

33:03

over the same time period in 1960 it was about I think 50 billion and then by

33:08

2010 it goes all the way up to 700 billion so you have a 10 and a half

33:13

percent time increase in out of wedlock first you have a 12 time increase in

33:19

welfare spending so what that did was effectively replace fathers and husbands

33:24

with the state with the welfare state and that's where we are now so this was

33:30

all done through institutional capture of you know using the University Systems

33:35

to kind of indoctrinate and rewrite the history and push certain social engineering things like feminism onto

33:42

the public and then I also talk about the cia's involvement in culture creation and pushing feminism as well

33:50

it's it's almost unbelievable to look at except you documented it so thoroughly and I've read other supporting material

33:56

around it where it's like no this this really happened this wasn't made up this is our sanitized history that gets

34:03

broadcast to us through the media to so we believe that we know what happened before us yeah yeah and so that we

34:09

believe that all of these radical changes I mean people might think why focus on feminism like we all know it's

34:16

kind of you know most people think oh feminism kind of lame but whatever I guess it was good right so why like why

34:21

get your pennies in a Twist about feminism rage well because we have taken a social order that existed for all of

34:28

human history up until 100 years ago and in just one century we've completely

34:33

inverted that entire social order turned it inside out flipped it upside down there is no other revolution in human

34:41

history not even I mean the Industrial Revolution enabled this but even that in

34:47

and of itself alone I would argue did not have the same impact that feminism has had in completely dismantling the

34:54

family unit um completely destroying the idea of what men are and what masculinity is of

35:01

what leadership is of what governance is of how children are raised what a home

35:06

is what education looks like I mean just every area of your Modern Life is

35:12

completely and totally affected by this revolutionary change that happened in such a short period of time and it

35:19

explains so much of the social ills that we're dealing with right now we wonder why why are 26 percent of adult American

35:27

women on at least one prescription psychiatric medication why when when you

35:33

look at the dsms uh prior to 1970 mental illness

35:38

depression uh self-deletion among children was extremely rare to the point

35:44

that they barely put it in there because it was just so rare and it's not that they didn't know of it or couldn't

35:49

diagnose it now we've had Psychiatry and psychology for longer about as long as we've had feminism

35:55

it's actually gone up due to a lot of these changes this complete instability

36:00

that children are growing up in and really that's my main motivation my main

36:06

motivation for doing this is uh because it's heartbreaking when you look at the statistics of what's going on with kids

36:13

and how they're being raised the risks they're exposed to because women don't

36:18

think that kids need their father anymore women don't think they need a husband anymore and we think that you

36:24

can just raise kids however and you know they'll grow up fine and they'll survive and it'll be great but broken children

36:30

grow up to be broken adults who don't know how to live so a lot of the

36:36

societal Decay we're dealing with is a direct result of this one of the famous quotes in the New Age

36:43

world I don't know who originated is it's it is no measure of Health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick

36:49

Society so that's something that they say and what they're what they're trying to say by that is that you know patriarchy is

36:55

the sick part and we have to move towards this kind of like feminist kind of Ideal feminist environmentalist ideal

37:00

yeah and so to actually the way that you lay it out it's like no the feminist environmentalist ideal is the sick part

37:06

that we're destroying if it's if we just get 100 of the way there then it'll be fine right markers scam right we need to

37:12

go back the other direction but it seems so it's that emotional hold that

37:17

emotional interpretation of history that women were so enslaved and oppressed and so held down and so disrespected for

37:25

every for every Century prior to 1900 that it's Unthinkable for people and and

37:32

you they're the title of the book is occult feminism again there's I wonder if you can go into a little bit of the

37:37

occult aspects because I it's hard not to see black magic at the root of all of this yes exactly so especially if you've

37:45

come out of the new age people who have like a new age background they grasp on to what I'm talking about really fast

37:50

yeah I lived it yeah they're like oh I this ties together all the dots for me

37:56

um the title of the book kind of has a two-fold meaning the first one's the most obvious that a lot of these women

38:02

uh had these beliefs because they had this underlying occultic esoteric belief

38:09

structure of some kind so a lot of the women were theosophists they were Spirit

38:14

mediums they were fortune tellers they were um a lot of them came out of crowlian

38:19

circles uh many of them were into like the Eastern mystery religions or hermeticism the Golden Dawn things like

38:27

that the other reason I called it occult feminism is because there is actually literally a secret hidden history uh to

38:35

feminism that's been tucked away and obscured by these women's studies

38:41

departments who only wanted to be portrayed in a certain light and Susan B Anthony herself who wrote her own self

38:49

glorifying four-volume puff piece about the history of women's Liberation

38:54

because of course she she saw herself as being the hero of it so she wanted to document it she says right in the first

39:01

chapter of the first volume that if it had been up to women women's Liberation

39:06

would have never happened the vote would have never passed and she said the reason for this isn't so much like you

39:12

might think oh they're brainwashed to like their captivity or something which is not so much that it's really that

39:19

they're actually too happy their lives are too nice they have all this provision and protection under male

39:25

suffrage that they don't want to lose they have a privileged place in society as mothers where they're well respected

39:32

and they don't have to deal with a lot of the harsh realities of life that men do of course you know life throughout

39:39

history was tough for both sexes in different ways it's not that everything was always roses but I'm saying you know

39:45

comparatively her analysis was women have it too good they can they can go to

39:50

school if they want to uh New England women had a 90 literacy rate by 1750 so

39:57

if you're under this impression that they weren't allowed to read or write or go to school that's completely false women have dominated education and

40:04

Literacy for about three centuries in the western world uh and and she said if

40:10

it's up to them they'll never do it and the other reason is they're very conservative the women at the time tended to be less revolutionary and less

40:17

uh and more conservative than the men and this is because they wanted a stable

40:22

Society to raise children they wanted a nice clean parked for their children to

40:28

play in they wanted churches they wanted Community they wanted peace you know

40:33

they wanted this nice a stable healthy Society to raise children in and

40:39

they don't like all this wild Revolution stuff they don't like the idea of free love which was very tied in with

40:46

suffrage you know you had people like Victoria Woodhull who had like a prostitution ring that she used to spy

40:53

on uh Wall Street and rig the stock market with uh and a lot of other characters like that that women didn't

41:00

want to be associated with women felt they had the moral High Ground because they weren't a political voting block

41:05

they said we are not partisan we don't have to pick the red team or The Blue Team the right wing or the left wing we

41:12

can be concerned with higher moral questions that transcend politics and we

41:17

don't want to lose that moral High Ground so Susan B Anthony said you can't leave it up to them they're never going

41:23

to go for it we have to get the men the wealthy industrialist men who have a

41:28

stake in this to push it and to fund it and to kind of force it and she was fine

41:34

with that because her her idea was eventually the women will get with the program they'll become more Progressive

41:40

uh they'll they'll start to see patriarchy is oppressive and she was right about that unfortunately she was

41:47

right about the fact that over time we can probably use propaganda and and

41:52

um you know just push this to the point that women will begin to to have these ideas and agree with us it

41:58

took a while though a lot of people don't know that when suffrage was first passed very few women voted they really

42:04

had no interest they saw Politics as kind of dirty business which it kind of is and uh it wasn't until the late 80s I

42:12

believe that women became the biggest loading block and now vote in larger numbers than men do so the occult stuff

42:20

kind of has a two-fold meaning but the reason it's at the root of the ideology and you see this going all the

42:27

way back to ancient times so the book starts there the book starts way back in like ancient Sumer with goddess worship

42:33

and Temple prostitution and follows it through like the Middle Ages and the Renaissance a little bit and then we get

42:39

to the Protestant revolution in the ret in the west and then the you know the

42:45

French Revolution the American Revolution this whole revolutionary period that came along with the Age of

42:51

Reason which was based on kind of rejection of church Authority rejection of government Authority rejection of

42:57

hierarchy altogether you know this revolutionary spirit Spirit that bore Marxism and and all of these esoteric

43:06

religions coming into the West when they hadn't really they've always kind of been there but they never dominated

The Revolutionary Spirit

43:11

before so it kind of just it's wonderful if you're a feminist right if you've

43:17

been convinced of this women's oppression narrative you do look at Christianity and go God the Father well

43:23

who says so you have like Ariana Grande with songs like you know God is a woman

43:28

or you have all these vengeful wrathful pop singer girls uh you know talking

43:33

about female empowerment and women's sexual Liberation and sexual power

43:39

and that's not it's not a coincidence it's because underlying that is this idea that women should be the Divine

43:46

ones that there's this Divine goddess uh Mother Earth thing which is why you

43:51

always see veganism tied in with the feminism right it's like why how come all the girls go off to University and

43:57

they're going normal and they come out blue-haired vegan feminists well this is why because they're convinced of this

44:02

kind of esoteric Gnostic principle that Mother Earth and nature is eidetic and

44:10

good right and that it's the male demiured figure it's the toxic

44:16

masculinity it's the inherent violent nature of men that then comes in and exploits the animals and exploits the

44:23

women and and so what's the answer to this well you kind of see it in the Barbie movie which just came out right

44:30

which is this idea that when the women run everything it's a utopian world where everything is perfect there's no

44:36

death there's no Decay there's no corruption in until the patriarchy comes

44:42

in and then it becomes stupid and silly and violent and brutish and dumb and

44:48

nothing works right and so in order to restore that edemic Natural State we

44:54

have to return to the goddess which is where you see like the Psychedelic movements of the 70s and 80s coming in

45:01

with Terence McKenna saying we have to return to the goddess you know just take psychedelics until all your boundaries

45:07

dissolve and then you know submit to the divine feminine and then we'll have world peace right

45:14

and I've written a couple of pieces that take some time to dispel this myth that women are more benevolent with power

45:20

than men are because it's completely not supported in any of the statistics we have so when

45:26

women are in charge of say a juvenile prison or a women's prison or any other

45:33

instance where women do have something of a monopoly on Force they're every bit

45:38

as much likely as men to exploit that and abuse it if not more and I have some

45:44

theories on why that is but yeah it's just this anti-christian and kind of the abrahamic religions altogether You could

45:51

argue but since I'm an Orthodox Christian I mainly see it as this like Rebellion against God the father is

45:58

really what it is at the heart of it and that's why all of the other esoteric and occultic religions are so appealing to

46:05

feminists they love the idea of vengeful goddesses who you know have men's heads

46:11

around their necks like the goddess Kali does or they love the idea of Lilith this vengeful spirit that haunts men in

46:18

their sleep and and you know is a succubus they like these vengeful female goddess Tales it's a great like

46:25

empowerment Motif for them that's really attractive so that's why you go on Tick

46:31

Tock hashtag witchtalk and you'll find all the stuff I'm talking about or you

46:36

go to Instagram same thing which Instagram hashtag you'll find women

46:42

doing all kinds of rituals with crystals and all kinds of other uh kind of gross things that we probably don't want to

46:48

talk about but yeah they love this wrathful goddess revenge porn fantasy

46:54

yeah because they believe that they're Cosmic victims that's the feminist theology right exactly and so and that

47:00

that legitimizes the violence which and women women and men have different

47:05

senses of Honor maybe you can speak about this men have a sense of honor and that they won't actually commit violence

47:11

against a woman unless they're really furiously angry and completely uncalibrated jerks to begin with women

47:17

don't seem to have a problem committing violence against men and other women they don't seem to have the same moral

47:23

constraints on them I don't fully understand that not being a woman myself but it shows up in this feminist literature and Susan B Anthony like

47:30

looking actively looking down on women in a way that she would accuse the men of doing right oh they can't think for

47:35

themselves like that's okay if Susan B Anthony says it but it's not okay if a man says that like how does that work I

47:40

don't understand it yeah so you're you're always going to run into this cognitive dissonance and feminism and

47:46

that's honestly why I believe they go crazy as they get older you can't hold you can't hold opposing World Views like

47:54

that and constantly be trying to reconcile them without kind of losing your marbles but I think the reason we

47:59

see this uh willingness and in women to use violence because and if you're not

48:06

aware of the statistics folks the most recent uh substance article I wrote uh

48:12

goes over this in detail and I I think you know my theory is that men from a

48:19

very young age through rough and tumble play with their Dads when they're little kids or with each other or with older

48:25

brothers or bigger boys when they're little kids they learn early on that they can do damage that it even

48:32

unintentionally if they get a little out of control they lose their temper or they get carried away oh shoot I didn't

48:38

mean to like make my friend's mouth bleed I better you know I need to learn to keep a wrap on this in some kind of

48:44

way and then also men are kind of just held to certain boundaries because men

48:49

exist and work together within a hierarchy yeah so men on a construction site or men in a bar fight will quickly

48:57

sort out the pecking order right of who who can get away with what and who uh

49:02

shouldn't probably challenge the other so men are much more used to understanding where those boundaries are

49:07

and that there are consequences if they overstep them whereas women we're kind

49:13

of uh we're kind of kept away from that for the most part because women don't

49:18

work together in a hierarchy we don't have like a hierarchical order really it's more about cooperation in child

49:24

rearing and community building but also competition in trying to get the best

49:30

mate so and then we don't get this like you know physical play as much when

49:36

we're kids we're better at sitting still and being quiet in a desk and doing our homework which is why girls do so much

49:42

better in a public school setting than boys do um so I don't think women experience

49:48

those boundaries and I think that's why we saw this phenomenon over the last 10 years of there's an antifa rally and

49:55

then the Patriot prayer guys show up and you'll see some girl in flip-flops and leggings go up to this six foot two

50:01

veteran and like punch him in the face right and you're like what was she thinking and it's yeah it's because they

50:08

grow up with this like you said they're a cosmic victim they deserve Cosmic Justice and then they've never

50:14

experienced the consequences of what happens you just walk up and punch a six foot two man in the face so I think

50:21

that's the reason why when women do get power they don't I don't think there there is

50:27

acquainted with the consequences of abusing the power so that's why you see so many stories of like teachers

50:33

grooming their 13 year old student you know female teachers grooming a 13 or 12 year old student and they get a slap on

50:39

the wrist whereas if it's a man doing that to a 12 or 13 year old girl he gets the book thrown at him kind of different

50:45

we have different um standards for that sort of stuff it's very well known statistically that women

50:52

get far less punishment for the same crimes as men just and that's usually a male judge you

51:00

know who's going easier on the woman because men are I believe inherently

51:05

benevolent I don't think they're inherently abusive or inherently oppressive I think they are inherently

51:11

benevolent for the most part evil exists among people of both sexes but it's not

51:17

that men are particularly prone to evil or abuse of power there's just nothing

51:22

in any of the data I've ever looked at that really supports that yeah we're we're both sinners in need of

51:29

a savior in different ways and you know the majority the vast majority of men are benevolent towards women and

51:34

benevolent in general while still being of course Sinners and and depraved and all and all those things we can speak

51:41

about our social relations as generally wishing good for women and not themselves being in desirous of

51:47

oppressing women I don't know that Society we would even have functioned as long as it did if that was the case nor

51:53

would you have had women looking forward to their wedding day how how many centuries like oh I can't wait to get

51:59

married it's like why can't you can't wait to get married about men are these horrible oppressors like right how does

52:04

that work right and this wonderful modern technologically advanced world that men built that gives women the

52:12

illusion that they can be in charge of it and don't need the men to begin with is built and maintained by men in large

52:19

part for our benefit I mean I suppose men didn't have to you know automate all

52:25

housework if they really hated their wives and just wanted them to be enslaved and

52:30

suffering I guess they'd say wash the clothes by hand do heartbeat you know or whatever but yeah it takes a lot of

52:37

suspension of disbelief to think to yourself that throughout all of human history with all the love songs and

52:45

poems we have dating back to ancient times of men expressing their willingness to do anything for the woman

52:51

they love uh talking about their reverence for their own mothers their love for their daughters that really

52:59

what they were doing was just waiting for their first chance to abuse some ladies they just wake up in the morning

53:05

and they're like how can I how can I hurt a woman today right so it's just

53:10

like I said upon just a little bit of um investigation These Things Fall Apart

53:17

very easily but if men do it they're just instantly dismissed and accused of

53:22

misogyny uh so I really think that ironically just like how they needed men

53:28

to push feminism on everybody I think it's going to take like me and at least a few

53:33

other women kind of standing up and being rational enough to actually

53:38

examine these ideas and their outcomes and say

53:44

it was a fun experiment but let's not I it's time for this to end I think we're done with this now I think that's what

53:50

it's going to take ironically to kind of dismantle it and I'm hoping that's the

53:55

case because otherwise the historic pattern is you need a collapse that's the unfortunate part that I don't want

54:02

to see because you might have noticed that in a natural disaster or a Calamity of some kind suddenly there's no

54:09

feminists when you're trapped in the flood waters waiting to be rescued you're not going boy I hope the

54:15

feminists show up and save me or if you're in the burning building hoping that a fireman comes to rescue you're

54:21

not like gosh when's the gender studies Department gonna come and rescue me from this fire you know so uh we see this

54:29

historical Trend um Professor Edward Dutton was on my show talking about this because this is kind of what he

54:35

researches these historical trends of civilizational you know uh Peak and Decline and he said whenever you get to

54:42

the peak it kind of the feminist stuff starts to come about and inevitably

54:48

that's the biggest sign that there's going to be an imminent collapse soon because it doesn't work unfortunately

54:54

ladies no matter how much no matter how much you cast spells with your crystals

54:59

men are always going to have the Monopoly on physical Force now that doesn't mean that uh think of it this

55:08

way the way I think of it is prior to women's Liberation there was a bit of a natural balance of power between the

55:14

sexes in this way men have the balance of uh Monopoly of force right men are

55:21

bigger they're stronger they can do things physically that women can't do but historically women have been twice

55:29

as successful at reproducing so through all the genetic studies we've done 80

55:34

percent of women who've ever survived past infancy have been able to reproduce only 40 percent of men have ever

55:41

historically been able to pass on their genetic material that's one big way that women have a

55:47

tremendous amount of powers that were kind of The Gatekeepers of sex and reproduction so

55:52

what we did when we made women equal in politics and finance and governance and

56:00

all of these other things as we kind of threw off that Natural Balance that was there and now we have you know an entire

56:07

family court system that's in completely biased against men we have something of an institution of marriage

56:14

although I don't think what we have now is really marriage it's just a state certificate that it's a contract that's

56:19

easier to break than your cell phone contract and when it does get broken 78 to 80 of the time it's the woman

56:26

breaking it so then she takes half the man's resources she takes the children she usually gets custody and child

56:32

support and then the man has to start over with zero right in in the middle of his life and

56:37

then nobody uh cares if the children are deprived of their father because the woman has to be happy it doesn't matter

56:44

who has to suffer for mommy to be happy and like live laugh love and find

56:49

herself and whatever it is now there's sometimes that divorce is

56:54

warranted even the church has always historically had certain exceptions for divorce but

57:00

it had to be just cause and it had to be something serious that couldn't be worked through like abandonment

57:06

addiction that was not you know successful in being treated or serious

57:11

abuse something like that I think that's fine what I'm not in favor of is no

57:16

fault divorce which is just I woke up unhappy and I don't feel sexy anymore so sorry kids but the family is over and

57:23

Daddy's out you know and and Mommy's new boyfriend is Gonna Come and and live with you guys that is what I'm so

57:30

against because of the statistical rates of abuse among children it's about ten

57:37

and a half times higher the rate the risk of abuse when you don't have your biological dad in the house so uh that's

57:45

my other big beef with feminism it promised women and children additional safety right they this you

57:53

guys have to remember historically that suffrage is happening at the same time that prohibition is coming about and the

57:59

women's temperance movement is really picking up steam and there was a ton of propaganda it's always propaganda right

58:06

a ton of propaganda that all the men were alcoholics right all the men are

58:12

alcoholics who just drink all day and come home and beat their wife now that wasn't true either but it was pushed

58:18

because of the temperance movement and certain uh Powers behind that that wanted wanted prohibition

58:25

so it was also co-opted and used in feminism to say you can't take the risk

58:31

you know with these men they could become alcoholics and they're just going to beat you and so you need to be free

58:37

and liberated and have your own money and have your own career um and it turns out that statistically

58:42

now we can look over all the data the national incident study is conducted by

58:48

the government about every 15 to 20 years or so 10 to 15 years there's been four of them since 1978 and what they do

58:55

is they take data from all of the organizations across the country who

59:00

deal with like battered women abused children so it would be places like women's shelters Child Protective

59:07

Services charity organizations that help battered women etc etc and they collect all of this data from different counties

59:14

all over the country to try to analyze how much abuse is going on who is doing

59:20

the abusing who's being abused what context that happens under right we have 45 years of these studies now and all of

59:28

them show that the safest place for children is with both biological parents

59:33

not even close no other living situation even comes close to being as safe as

59:38

that and for women cohabitating with a partner is far more dangerous as far as risk of abuse than

59:45

living with your married husband if you live with your husband you're married to your rate of abuse is the lowest of any

59:53

other living situation and we see the highest domestic violence violence rates among lesbians who are cohabitating

1:00:00

so this whole idea that men are the threat that men are the risk that it's

1:00:06

just too risky to be married it's too risky to give men this power is just baloney I mean we have a century of

1:00:12

evidence now that we can look over and see that it's just not true so all these promises that were made weren't kept

1:00:19

feminism didn't deliver on any of it so if the ideological roots are bad if

1:00:25

the philosophical and religious roots are bad and the outcomes are bad I'm not sure what the argument is in

1:00:32

favor of pushing even more feminism which is what we're seeing right now like I said with the Barbie movie and

1:00:38

all these other you know all these other cultural pop culture things that are really being pushed and you know you

1:00:44

have every NGO you have the United Nations all these uh private public

1:00:50

partnership philanthropy uh Think Tank places just pushing more and more and

1:00:56

more women's empowerment women's Leadership Summit you know uh more

1:01:01

feminism more Reproductive Rights and we are seeing a push back now but the still these mainstream entities that do all

1:01:08

the public policy steering are just pushing it heavier and heavier and so all I'm trying to do is kind of present

1:01:16

the argument against it and say wait uh nothing is lining up here why are you

1:01:21

still pushing this like what's the agenda or the agendas to kill God the father

1:01:27

right that's that is that it I mean that's that's the thing that I really appreciated about your book is that you didn't whitewash the history of feminism

1:01:33

or varnish it or say well they had some good points here it's like no this is an occult anti-god Antichrist movement and

1:01:40

has been from the start in fact two weeks ago I had uh Zach Garris who's a presbyterian Pastor he wrote the book

1:01:46

masculine Christianity and excellent excellent book yeah um and he in the in the first part of

1:01:51

the book talks about how feminism was a radical anti-family anti-christian movement from the start and that ties

1:01:58

into prohibition and all of that like suffrage and prohibition were linked because it was positioning men as these

1:02:03

oppressors alcoholics and so we have to cleanse Society from the female perspective and that's what Nancy Piercy

1:02:09

talks about her new book The Toxic war on masculinity like this unquestionable era of American History is beginning to

1:02:16

be questioned and it needs to happen it's the sacred cow yes you're exactly right and just just nobody knows it

1:02:23

right I mean they're starting to now because of all the people you just mentioned and there's others you know Janice fimenko has done some good stuff

1:02:30

on this I didn't even know most of these people until after my book came out and I'm kind of glad because I'm like I got

1:02:37

to do my own unique perspective in my own work on it but now that I'm seeing

1:02:44

all the work of these other people and how we are all finding the same things the same Trends the same ideas it kind

1:02:51

of does validate what I had found and I'm sure that they probably feel the same way so it's like I'm very glad that

1:02:58

this stuff is starting to be questioned because like I said um it's bad enough for women and it's

1:03:03

bad enough for men but it just when I see what's happening to children

1:03:09

it's like they're completely unprotected because mom's at work all day dad's cut out of

1:03:16

their lives more often than not and so they're they are being exposed to

1:03:21

every horrible ideology out there every destructive force that wants them to destroy themselves is just coming at

1:03:29

them right through their phone you know and um and there's nobody there to kind

1:03:34

of provide any pushback because they're in a state institution most of their life and then they're on their phone the

1:03:39

rest of the time so where's going to be the stabilizing force or the protective Force there isn't one anymore and if I

1:03:48

were the Demonic that's exactly what I would want you know that's exactly what I'd be going for remove the people with

1:03:54

the most vested interest in protecting their offspring so that we have access and you see this

1:04:01

in a lot of the rainbow Skittles movement stuff the um

1:04:06

I'm trying to just in case I don't know where you'll put this so uh the uh YouTube okay yes so the Skittles rainbow

1:04:13

people love this idea they love the idea of oh you don't need dads and and what's

1:04:19

a family anyway right um and a lot of the feminist uh philosophers of the 70s

1:04:25

were really big into this idea of family with anyone except your dad right anyone

1:04:32

except at kinship kinship building outside of the biological family my next

1:04:39

book has a lot in it on like the Russians and the Eastern black Communists and how feminist ideology was

1:04:46

pushed there by the same people funded by the same people but with a slightly

1:04:52

different twist with a little bit of a different ideology pushed because in the west they used more of a liberal

1:04:57

Democratic kind of philosophy and there they used like straight up Marxist collectivism

1:05:04

and the Eastern feminists like Alexander kolentai who was the first Bolshevik

1:05:10

female um head of state and Diplomat in 1917

1:05:15

was already writing literature about how she foresaw a future without biological

1:05:21

families without uh parents that all the children would be raised communally with

1:05:27

no idea who mom was or who dad was and the reason is because all of the

1:05:33

Bourgeois capitalist stuff she didn't like was passed down through like you know paternal lineage so men when they

1:05:40

get a family when they get a wife and they have children they work really hard at accumulating resources to pass down

1:05:46

as a legacy to their offspring for their future Generations so to preserve their

1:05:52

you know from a strictly atheist world view you know you would see this passing your genetic material into the future

1:05:59

from a Christian worldview we see it more as like leaving a patriarchal Legacy of provision and protection for

1:06:05

your future Generations um and she didn't want any of that she said everyone's Elite agents should be

1:06:12

to the state and fathers get in the way of that so they have to be removed so the first

1:06:18

things she did as the commissar of social welfare in Russia was to make abortion not only legal for the first

1:06:25

time in history anywhere in the world but to make it paid for in a state

1:06:31

Russian Hospital up until the time of birth you know all the way up to 40 weeks or whatever with no questions

1:06:38

asked just free state paid abortion uh paid State abortion and then the other

Communist state abortions

1:06:44

thing was she made marriage no longer a sacrament of the church just a legal a

1:06:50

legal license you would file with the state that could be dissolved in any reason for any time so they had no fault

1:06:55

divorce now when Stalin came to power about a decade after that they had three

1:07:01

abortions for every one live birth in Russia their population was absolutely imploding and they had just been through

1:07:08

World War one and a Great Famine so Stalin said we can't have this there won't be Russia in another decade if we

1:07:14

keep this going so he did temporarily put a kibosh on that and that's why I mean but now still to this day Russia

1:07:20

has some of the highest abortion rates in the world uh but this is the result no matter how this no matter how this

1:07:28

ideology is disseminated you end up with the same result and that's because it's the same spiritual entities behind this

1:07:36

agenda if that makes sense it makes perfect sense I mean you're you're the

1:07:42

the things you're talking about are woven throughout that presentation that I gave back in February

1:07:48

um and also I read the book um libido dominandi by E Michael Jones yeah who spends a lot of time on

1:07:54

Alexander kalantai and and this whole feminist Evolution beginning in the French Revolution it's just it's insane

1:08:00

to actually look at history for what it is from the primary source documents and not simply accept the mainstream

1:08:06

narrative the Collegiate narrative or what we just kind of take for granted through the media to actually look at

1:08:11

what these people said what they believed and what they caused in the countries that they were allowed free reign in

1:08:17

yeah and I mean standpoint Theory Theory just they didn't just leave it to feminism it

1:08:23

started as strictly feminist narrative and then uh Sandra Harding who had kind

1:08:29

of invented it she had a biology degree so she worked really hard to get it pushed into the Sciences as well and so

1:08:34

like James Lindsay has talked a lot about how standpoint theory has destroyed science like if you want to

1:08:41

know like people are wondering how can how can the mainstream prestigious

1:08:46

science institutions be the ones pushing this uh Transformer stuff right saying

1:08:51

that you can just chop off Parts like Mr Potato Head and swap them out what kind of science is this well that's because

1:08:58

standpoint Theory infiltrated The Sciences as well so now we no longer have any sort of objective

1:09:06

science because that's toxic masculinity right that's that's white straight male stuff so we have to do even the hard

1:09:14

Sciences via standpoint Theory which of course doesn't work but that's why everything is insane right now

1:09:21

um and there's lots of people who've done really big like in-depth pieces on how standpoint Theory ruins science like

1:09:28

I said James Lindsay and I was just watching a really great YouTube video on it the other day that unfortunately I can't remember who did it right now but

1:09:34

uh yeah this is it's it's this gnostic

1:09:40

kind of idea right that like uh the world is bad Society is bad and so we

1:09:46

have to escape it and we have to destroy it we have to tear everything down and and then out of that we'll build some

1:09:52

Utopia and it's it's never worked it's never going to work and it's not just because

1:09:58

the ideas are bad it's not just because utilitarian calculus doesn't actually work

1:10:04

um it's it's because fundamentally this world is a spiritual battle but like you said um it's it's

1:10:11

God the Father who is the one that loves us and wants to redeem us and so all the

1:10:16

other forces fighting against that are just going to cause more Decay more suffering more problems and that's where

1:10:23

we are right now especially in the west with so many people rejecting Christianity and having like these

1:10:29

atheists World Views but really there's no such thing as atheism even the staunchest

1:10:34

atheists always have some kind of other underlying worldview for how things work

1:10:41

that tends to be spiritual whether they want to admit it or not you know you see the roots of this Rebellion

1:10:47

really in Genesis you know where the serpents tempts Eve and ye shall be like God effectively God's holding out on you

1:10:54

you can be God and Paul says later that Adam wasn't tempted or deceived Adam was deceived Eve was deceived so you have

1:11:01

this model right there in the very beginning in the garden where you have this women's rebellion and men's

1:11:06

passivity and then you run that out thousands of years and voila here we are

1:11:12

and I guess the question the question that I'm sitting with is yes of course men need to step forward you know to

1:11:19

take to take leadership I think that's that's the nature of everything I do but men stepping forward doesn't mean

1:11:25

automatically that women will step back that that these these two things are not linked so what what can we do what do

1:11:32

you see that works because we you know talked about um rationality you know men women being

1:11:38

more rational attempting to combat this right is I mean does that actually does that work it doesn't not work but is can

1:11:45

rationality come combat irrationality well here's kind of how I see it so the

1:11:51

the domain of men and this is the burden of men women have the burden of childbirth and child raising it's never

1:11:58

easy it's the most valuable and fulfilling thing you'll ever do but I've had five children and I'm not going to

1:12:04

sit here and tell everybody oh it's just easy peasy I took the easy life you know I didn't

1:12:10

but I would never go back and change it like I'm super happy with you know my decision to do what I did in life but

1:12:17

for men I think the burden is you guys have to always be the ones holding the

1:12:24

boundaries you have to be the ones who are always saying no to people you know I saw this with my husband when I really

1:12:30

started to understand what men go through more is when we had four teen

1:12:35

and pre-teen daughters at the same time we have four girls so when they were all

1:12:41

kind of between like nine years old and 19 years old he would say every day it doesn't matter

1:12:47

what I do somebody's going to run to the room crying because Daddy was mean even if he's not mean it's just because he

1:12:52

said no right he just he has to be the one who's always just going no sorry no

1:12:58

sorry no you won't no you can't do that no and I'm the one that kisses the boo-boos and rubs your back and makes

1:13:04

you feel better now I always back him up so that's why I think our kids have turned out so good because we're always

1:13:10

on the same page but if it were just me I'd be so much more likely to give in all the time they tug on my little

1:13:17

heartstrings and I just want to say yes but he knows it's his job and that he's

1:13:22

responsible for telling them no when they need to be told no and men have

1:13:27

that responsibility society-wide to to kind of put their foot down and say no and what you just talked about with Adam

1:13:33

in the garden is the same thing that kind of happened with feminism and I always say simps simps are the ones that

1:13:41

will be the death of all of us because it's this inclination to men love women

1:13:46

right men do love women you guys love us there's something in you that does want to give us what we want and make us

1:13:53

happy and see us smile so men kind of want to give in

1:13:59

um and Adam kind of gave in because he wanted it's not because he like you said he wasn't deceived he just didn't want

1:14:07

to tell her no and he wanted to go with her wherever she was going which was the big mistake and that's what happened

1:14:12

with feminism you got these men who are these the wealthy industrialist billionaires of the Golden Age the

1:14:19

Gildan age are the same kind we have now like the Bill Gates's and the Elon musk's who

1:14:25

you know they always have some woman that's taking half their fortune and running off with another guy or they have like you know elon's got 10 kids

1:14:31

with five different women or something and they're not good at holding the line because they're kind of nerds who got

1:14:38

really famous and Wealthy because they're smarter because they were strategically placed in a time and place

1:14:44

so it's like a revenge of the nerd's simp problem that we have where if

1:14:49

really powerful men given to women you have this this repeats in archetypes throughout all of history like Samson

1:14:55

and Delilah right it's always a man kind of giving in to a woman that he really

1:15:01

is into is always his big downfall and I think the thing that's hard for men that's their burden is

1:15:08

going to be this idea of how do we firmly but

1:15:14

definitely take back power and control for the most part in society I know when

1:15:19

women hear me say that it causes this knee-jerk discomfort and I know that when I say things like submit right that

1:15:27

word causes this knee-jerk discomfort and it's it's conditioning it's normal it's normal for you if you're a woman

1:15:34

hearing me talk this way to have this uneasy feeling in you when you hear me say these things but you have to

1:15:41

decondition this impulse that men having power or having control or being in

1:15:48

Authority is inherently bad that's not the the sex of the person with authority

1:15:55

is not what makes it inherently bad um as we just talked about men being

1:16:00

benevolent and not inherently evil so I think men's challenge is taking back

1:16:06

the reins and being able to reinstitute the boundaries of the castle wall to

1:16:12

keep Society stable and make safe homes and places for children and women to

1:16:17

live and say we love you you're great we want what's best for you and that's why we're

1:16:24

no longer going to go along with this feminist stuff we're just you know we're not gonna we're not going to be vengeful and

1:16:30

wrathful but we are going to take back our rightful place of of authority and hierarchy as God has

1:16:38

created us and and they're going to have to this is the choices you guys have it's either

1:16:43

going to happen the hard way or the much harder way right so either the men

1:16:49

decide enough of this experiment we're going to benevolently kind of take back the reins of authority as we should

1:16:56

or we're going to have a catastrophic collapse that will necessitate a strong

1:17:02

man coming in and putting Society back together and that's never comfortable that's usually pretty brutal and that's

1:17:08

what we will end up going back to if somebody doesn't kind of put the brakes on this soon because you cannot have

1:17:14

there's a girl I debated that a clip with her went viral I think it's got like half a million views or something

1:17:20

now where she insisted to me that she and her feminist friends could get the

1:17:26

power grid back up after like an EMP I said if there's like an EMP that took out the power grid completely are you

1:17:34

and your girlfriends your feminist girlfriend's gonna go out and like you know get the electric grid back up and she was like yeah sure totally we

1:17:40

totally can we have tools now and ever the reason it went viral is because it was so absurd right people

1:17:46

are going this girl probably you'd have to tell her to unplug it and plug it back in if her computer wasn't working

1:17:52

but she's gonna go restore the power grid like does she have any idea are they going to be putting up cell phone

1:17:57

towers and launching satellites so that the cell phones are working again no so

1:18:03

if the men don't do this we're gonna be in a situation where someone's gonna have to do it and that's not going to be

1:18:09

fun for anybody but it kind of remains to be seen how it's going to go yeah and I think I

1:18:16

think that the complexifying factor of all this is that you know men built these institutions in order to make

1:18:23

Society more convenient easy these giant meta technologies that manage everything for us and all these institutions have

1:18:30

now been captured by this ideology and how can one man or even a group of men

1:18:35

stand against these feminist captures and captured institutions that seems to me to be the hinge point is that the

1:18:41

institutions are now leveraged against the individual and so what are so we as men we can take authority in our own

1:18:48

homes perhaps even in our own workplaces but the time is the time is late to begin building institutions yes you're

1:18:55

totally right about that um as far as that goes I mean having studied kind of the

1:19:01

history of power dynamics and the ruling Elite uh there's probably always going

1:19:06

to be these powerful ruling Elite who are antithetical to God and to God the

1:19:12

Father but there have been times in history where they've been put put back at Bay you know where

1:19:19

they've kind of stuffed the toothpaste back in the tube at least to the extent that we could have you know pretty functioning society and more peaceful uh

1:19:27

more benevolent times of course you and I as Christians we kind of know that there's never going to be any denic

1:19:32

state again until the return of Christ and he restores everything but um I do tell people though that really

1:19:39

you know it is possible as bad as the world is there have been worse times you

1:19:44

know there have been people who have have families and and had successful

1:19:50

marriages and families and Brotherhood and the church has survived incredible

1:19:56

persecution throughout his history so it's possible this the situation we're in now is pretty dire but you know my

1:20:03

husband and I have been able to do it like you said on an individual level people can do that and to the extent

1:20:08

that more and more people do uh the people around you notice that and

1:20:13

they kind of go you know if it's a white pill for anyone I do get a ton of emails

1:20:19

and messages from women saying you know I was in uh I was in university finishing law school and I had this

1:20:26

nagging feeling for the last year that all I wanted to do was get married and have babies and I knew everybody in my

1:20:33

life wouldn't agree but you know I quit law school and I got married and I'm staying home with my two-year-old and

1:20:39

I'm pregnant again and I'm gonna homeschool and thank you so much for for making me feel okay about that thank you

1:20:46

for giving me the courage to take that leap even though I didn't feel safe about it because the people around me

1:20:53

weren't supportive but I couldn't be happier that I'm doing it so that's why I think the Bible says that if you do

1:21:00

what you're supposed to be doing that's the best way to save the people around you because if they see you do it

1:21:06

they're more likely to do it um and I do think there's hope you know

1:21:11

there's always hope we have hope in Christ so uh I think there's some good

1:21:16

signs you're seeing like it's not that we agree with everything Andrew Tate says or his prescriptions for people or

1:21:23

some of the red pill describes the problems really well yes as a Christian I don't always agree with the

1:21:29

prescriptions right I'm not I don't want men getting vasectomies at 20. please don't do that

1:21:35

um but I do think it's a good sign that there's a lot of pushback I think that men are looking for masculinity I think

1:21:42

women are looking for femininity I think that if you allow women to be mothers we

1:21:48

have this in incredible drive for motherhood it's just that the culture beats it out of us from the time we are

1:21:56

babies and again this Barbie movie opens with a sequence of little girls playing

1:22:01

with baby dolls in the opening sequence it's like a spoof on 2001 A Space

1:22:08

Odyssey and then they see Barbie sexy Barbie and they start bashing their baby dolls against the Rocks smashing the

1:22:15

baby dolls because we want to play with Barbie now she's sexy and has cool outfits and accessories so I think if we

1:22:23

can push back on that and tell women hey you know what it's actually really fun and cool and awesome to be a mom it's a

1:22:29

totally valid life choice you should give it a try it's great uh that goes a long way and then I think if men who are

1:22:38

I know some people don't like the phrase but let's just because everyone knows what I mean high value men if the high

1:22:43

value Men start rewarding virtue Chastity

1:22:49

um motherhood instead of big boobie girls on webcams who are doing you know

1:22:56

NPC or uh ASMR whatever stuff uh selling their bath water to simps if we start

1:23:02

rewarding that behavior in women you're going to see a lot more of it because women still will do

1:23:07

whatever gets them the most attention from men attention is women's currency more than money or handbags even right

1:23:14

that's in fact male attention is usually how they get the the handbags or whatever the other status symbols are

1:23:21

but if the high value men kind of start making it like f you know oh you're a

1:23:26

304 no thanks I I would like this 20 year old church going virgin Who Wants

1:23:33

To Be A Mother uh will it make all the feminists Mad yes it will but will you

1:23:38

see more women start to act that way and hold those values yes and it's twofold it's because they do want the attention

1:23:44

they do want the best man that's our primary biological imperative and they do want to reproduce most of us want to

1:23:51

be mothers historically there's been a tiny percent of women who are just not built for it or don't want it that's

1:23:57

fine they've always been there they can go be nuns they can be school moms they can you know

1:24:03

be academics or whatever they want to be but most women do want to be moms they

1:24:08

do so if you if you just make that the cool thing again I think some of the men

1:24:13

who are gaining this influence could do that theoretically I don't know if it'll happen I don't have a crystal ball but I

1:24:20

think if the really desirable men suddenly start talking about the virtues they want to see in women and what

1:24:25

they're looking for and what they think is should be rewarded you'll see more of that but as long as having a million

1:24:32

Instagram followers because you're posting pictures of yourself in a thong gets you the most attention

1:24:37

that you're going to see a lot of girls do that do you have time for just one more quick

1:24:42

question um so so what I see is the as the wild card and all this is sexual Liberation

1:24:48

that sexual Liberation was the liberation of women's sexuality from the constraints of marriage you created all

1:24:54

of this Supply let's say of sex and then that creates all this Demand right and so you have men that are more tempted by

1:25:02

sex outside of marriage than sex inside of marriage along with all the married sex is unsatisfying propaganda Etc which

1:25:07

just documents it to be not true so part of this is is reigning women's sexuality

1:25:13

back in and that's goddess worship right goddess worship is inevitably time as you talk to it as you talk to talk to

1:25:19

that earlier so you have men essentially worshiping the goddess of women's sexuality which is direct contradiction

1:25:25

to the God the father so as someone said on Twitter I think it was on Twitter that we need to bring women shaming

1:25:31

women for unchaste Behavior back what do you what do you think about that

1:25:38

am I getting terrible trouble for it all the time that's what we do here you might know no talking to me now that I'm

1:25:45

actually pretty nice

1:25:50

and I'm a little bit mean and it's because uh because of the nature of that app I am often kind of pushing back

1:25:58

clapping back if you will against these types of women who

1:26:03

want this sexual Liberation and why because it's their main source of power and no they don't want to give it up so

1:26:10

the only way they're going to give it up is if there's some shame involved and again people hear the word shame and

1:26:16

there's a knee-jerk reaction to be like she's bad she's me you shouldn't shame people however

1:26:21

always in society always we are either incentivizing or disincentivizing

1:26:27

certain behaviors by whether we see it as a positive thing and applaud it or

1:26:33

whether we see it as a negative thing and shame it to certain degree that's why there's all this talk about lizzo

1:26:38

and healthy in every size and body shaming stuff and it's like it's kind of the same idea I wish we

1:26:45

could all live in this cozy kindergarten world where we can tell everyone that everything's fine everything's

1:26:52

permissible you know every life choice is equally valid every world view is

1:26:57

equally valid but that's not reality that's not how things work and the result of trying to do that is you have

1:27:03

500 pound women who are physically incapacitated by the time they hit 30 and they're probably not going to last

1:27:09

past 40. I don't think that's nice I don't think that's nice at all so I

1:27:15

look at this the same way I have gotten messages from women in their 50s and 60s

1:27:20

who say I'm listening to your audiobook right now and I'm bawling my eyes out because I fell for this stuff and now

1:27:27

I'm too old and it's too late and I can't go back and I don't know what to do and it's heartbreaking like I'll get

1:27:34

teared up and upset reading reading these messages from women so I'm like

1:27:39

better that they get mad at me now for saying to them hey before you post another booby picture or another only

1:27:46

fans video think about what your children you know if you have children someday are they

1:27:51

going to see that when they're 50 are you going to be proud of this later you know to try to get them to think of it

1:27:57

that way to a little bit of Shame is a good thing right if somebody steals we

1:28:03

shame them if somebody murders someone or um our words someone we shame that

1:28:10

because it's bad behavior it's bad for the victim it's bad for the perpetrator it's bad for society so there are

1:28:17

behaviors that objectively I believe should be shamed to some degree now this doesn't mean that reformed women should

The value of shame

1:28:24

be treated like garbage this is another thing I disagree with I don't think a high value man is

1:28:30

obligated to marry you just because you reformed either you know so if you used

1:28:35

to do only fans and you have a body count Sky High to the moon but now you're 30 and your biological clock is

1:28:41

ticking and you've decided to come to Christ and change that's great but it doesn't mean you're automatically

1:28:47

entitled to like some really high status guy you might have to settle for Joe the

1:28:53

plumber who is a really nice person but maybe he's five foot nine you know like you still have a great life you will

1:29:00

still have a wonderful Christian Life a great family a wonderful man but the six foot six figure six-pack stuff has got

1:29:07

to go for one thing um and the other thing is we shouldn't be encouraging women to do things that

1:29:13

actually encourage their physical mental and spiritual destruction

1:29:19

uh telling women to open themselves up sexually is extremely dangerous for so

1:29:26

many reasons uh leads to you know a lot of women having abortions they regret later to uh getting them like we

1:29:34

discussed earlier gets them into situations where they're more likely to encounter abuse uh or harm it it

1:29:40

destroys their ability to pair bond it destroys their self-esteem and then they hit the wall at 35

1:29:47

and they've got another 40 50 years of life that they now have to live with

1:29:53

that history and that past and all that damage and they have to try to heal from it again encouraging that is not nice

1:30:00

the nice thing is trying to talk some sense into them and shake them a little

1:30:05

bit now while they're young and they can maybe turn it around and I would love to see like for my daughters growing up

1:30:12

uh that maybe they won't have to do what I did which is fight the entire culture

1:30:19

which tells them take your clothes off uh put stick your butt out and take a

1:30:25

picture you know let boys have sex with you when you're really young you know all these they have do polyamory have

1:30:32

multiple boyfriends uh do stuff with girls all these things that are encouraged in the culture that I know

1:30:38

will destroy them and they're a rebellious teenager going why do I have to have the strict mom you know why do I

1:30:44

have to have the parents that are always telling me no but now they're 20 and 22 my oldest and they've both like multiple

1:30:51

times said to me I used to think that you were like the strict boring mom and I'd always be like

1:30:57

I wish I could have fun like my friends do with their mom but I'm so glad that you didn't I'm so like thank you so much

1:31:04

for not raising me like that thank you for caring enough to tell me no and and try to you know not let the culture

1:31:11

raise me because I'm seeing what it's doing to my friends or like older ladies that they know at work or something like

1:31:17

that and they're very happy that they had parents that cared enough to tell them no so uh it's not nice to encourage

1:31:25

women in everything they do it's not nice or kind it's not it's not being nice

1:31:32

telling people to do things that destroy them isn't nice so we need to push back against this it's okay to be 500 pound

1:31:38

stuff when we need to push back against the promiscuity and all these Life Choices that we know like we like I said

1:31:46

we have tons of data we have our own eyeballs we can look around and see what

1:31:52

what this produces it's not good for young women so I always say who's really the one that cares about women

1:31:58

is it the is it you feminists who are telling them to do all this god-awful self-destructive stuff that also by the

1:32:05

way prevents them from ever having salvation and reconciling with God because when

1:32:11

you tell young women you don't need humility you don't ever have to apologize you are perfect the way you

1:32:17

are you don't need saving you don't need forgiveness you are basically putting a

1:32:24

giant wall between them and God you're putting a giant wall between them and their salvation so I think it is not me

1:32:31

who is the one that's mean and doesn't care about women I think it's the feminists who are destroying them in

1:32:37

every dimension of their lives yeah there's a real there's a real hesitation that a lot of people have to

1:32:43

tell women what they can and can't do with their bodies my body my choice right if I want to put a baby in it and

1:32:48

take a baby out of it and I want to put in whatever I want to eat food whatever it's just like we can't tell women we

1:32:53

can't tell women anything because women are cosmic victims it's the goddess worship thing same thing yep yeah and I

1:33:00

mean it also kind of comes it's definitely that that's the spirit and the root of where all of it comes from

1:33:05

and then we have the extra complicating factor of being American and being American and and believing in

1:33:12

americanism which I went through my libertarian phase in my 20s uh when you

1:33:18

have this idea that Authority is across the board bad and that Liberation is across the board good and that hey man

1:33:25

just you do you just do you bro like this idea saturates the American Spirit

1:33:32

as well and so we're partially fighting that and I'm I'm sympathetic to it like I understand where that comes from

1:33:38

because I was there at a certain point in my life too but the truth of the matter is that not all things are

1:33:45

permissible and not all things are good for you and not uh you you need God the

1:33:51

Father there to tell you no and tell you to repent so that he can forgive you and

1:33:56

restore you and you need your father there in your life and you need your husband there in your life to

1:34:02

put down boundaries for you when maybe you can't always do it yourself you know women we have hormone Cycles we have a

1:34:10

lot of emotions going on we tend to be it's a good thing it's a good thing as mothers you want us to be more

1:34:16

empathetic you want us to be more sensitive uh because you know if you're gonna have a baby attached to you for

1:34:22

two straight years whether whether you've slept or not and all of these things you want them to have these

1:34:29

instincts that's a good thing but the men are there to protect us uh when we

1:34:34

can't really do it ourselves when we're too hormonal to think straight or too sleep deprived of things straight or where or we get our heart strings tugged

1:34:41

up that's why marketing it's another big part of the piece of the puzzle is

1:34:47

Edward bernay's with his invention of marketing you know he was kind of famous for pushing

1:34:53

smoking on women but he developed marketing out of psychoanalysis and psychology he was related to Sigmund

1:35:01

Freud and like a lot of the other psychoanalysis guys that came out of the early 20th century

1:35:06

and they figured out that if they could put the control of most of the household spending in the hands of women oh boy

1:35:12

you know like that just they had a field day then they could just aim all of the marketing for products for services for

1:35:19

whatever at the women and it's very easy to uh manipulate them that's the other

1:35:24

reason it's great for them if women vote because women can be very easily swayed when you see these campaign we're going

1:35:30

into an election cycle when you see campaign ads talking about you know oh this party wants to starve the old

1:35:36

people and this party wants to take away children's lunches and and this party hates you know people who are on

1:35:43

Medicare and they you'll see so much of this advertising that's designed to

1:35:48

Target your heartstrings or late at night when the SPCA commercials come on and they have the Sarah Mclaughlin song

1:35:55

playing and all the sad abused animals and they're like call now and give us money I mean women

1:36:02

and donate so um it's a lot of that too our our maternal

1:36:08

instincts are continually weaponized against us by these kinds of people so

1:36:13

men like my husband will see that he kind of has to do that on my behalf sometimes because I I my first instinct

1:36:20

is to say yes to everyone and to what's wrong honey how can I make it better do you want do you want me to cook you

1:36:27

something to eat should I you know what can I do for you and there are people who will take advantage of that and so

1:36:33

sometimes my husband will see that and he'll be like hold on a second you know this are you

1:36:39

sure this person deserves your time and health and sympathy or could they have an agenda right whereas I probably

1:36:45

wouldn't think of that so women need to start seeing men as our protectors again

1:36:51

because they truly are and I think uh if you go read all of my stuff I think I do a good job of laying out a good case and

1:36:57

a good argument for that and against this idea that just If you eliminate all the men it eliminates all the problems

1:37:05

it doesn't it just puts a new set of bigger problems in your lap and then if

1:37:10

you are ever abused if you are ever exploited who do you go to to stop the

1:37:16

bad man another man a good man right if you're in an abusive relationship with a

1:37:21

man you go to the police you go to a judge for a restraining or you go to your father you go to your brother who's

1:37:27

big and scary to get rid of this bad man so yeah I think it's

1:37:33

I think that uh we do need men to to take the reins back for that reason

1:37:38

because women are just so susceptible to propaganda but there's a good side to that too we can

1:37:45

uh use the same kind of tactics too allow women to go back to being

1:37:50

comfortable in their feminine roles being comfortable as mothers being fulfilled fulfilled and happy as you

1:37:58

know the the lady at church that if she's not there one Sunday nothing goes right right you know like coffee hour

1:38:03

doesn't work and and uh you know the the potluck afterwards wasn't organized and

1:38:08

the charity that we were gonna do doesn't doesn't get done if she's not there women had a crucial role in

1:38:15

society in all of like taking care of the sick the elderly the Young The

1:38:20

Returning War veterans uh running children's orphanages things like this and we don't have those things anymore

1:38:27

because we told women to go to the cubicle and the state's supposed to come in and do all that stuff and it's it's

1:38:33

been catastrophic so we'd be so much better off if we could Embrace

1:38:38

traditional roles of each sex again and each one of us is doing what we do best but in cooperation with one another

1:38:45

rather than in competition and I think that what isn't well understood is that both men and women

1:38:50

give something up in that Arrangement is that men are called to be sacrificial as husbands like it's not it's not easy

1:38:56

being a husband or a father you know and being committed nor is it easy being a wife and a mother it's not comfortable

1:39:02

for either person no one no one quote unquote gets away free from that Arrangement but it is Godly and it is

1:39:08

prosperous and it does lead to fulfillment if not you know profit yeah definitely and in the Orthodox

1:39:15

Christian church we actually still have marriage as a Sacrament and we see it as

1:39:20

a path to Salvation when you marry your spouse you are both responsible for each

1:39:27

other's salvation because of that sacrifice it's called an ascetic sacrifice right I'm giving up myself

1:39:35

for you and you're giving up yourself for me we're both learning to sacrifice and this is why I think it's so

1:39:42

dangerous that feminism pushes this message of sexual empowerment on very young women so starting at like 15 16 17

1:39:51

these girls are getting the idea that your sex is your your sexuality is your

1:39:56

power and that you should never have to sacrifice or give up anything you're perfect the way you are you you should

1:40:03

you know have the power and control because of your sexuality without also

1:40:08

telling them that this is a very Faustian deal because this is a very short period of time in your life that's

1:40:14

temporary it doesn't last um you're not going to be they're

1:40:21

looking at Jane Fonda and like the swimsuit Illustrated cover with uh

1:40:26

Martha Stewart on there sexy at 80. and they're thinking that this is how things

1:40:31

work no that's all it's like all a demonic delusion to make you think that when you're 80 you're still gonna have

1:40:37

this sexy power and I I have a friend even who said that to me I was saying this and she said

1:40:43

I'm still gonna be sexy sexy when I'm 60. I don't know about you and I was just like

1:40:49

it's kind you know to me it's kind of embarrassing and demeaning too to tell elderly women who are like well past

1:40:55

menopause to try to like flaunt some kind of sexuality I think it's degrading to them but I think that the reason they

1:41:04

like to push this sexual power stuff on really young women is because like I said it gets them to wall themselves off

1:41:10

from repentance it gets them to totally neglect self-development you know you

1:41:15

can't do self-improvement if you think you're already Perfect The Way You Are yeah right so telling them they're

1:41:21

perfect the way they are and you know just photoshop your body until you can get the most likes on your Instagram

1:41:28

it's just a it's a terribly destructive thing and um I think that women are more important

1:41:34

than that I think we have a higher calling than that and those young girls who never learn self-sacrifice struggle

1:41:41

really hard when they get older this is the other thing about it you spend all of your 20s your your late teens and

1:41:48

then all of your 20s and maybe even a little bit of your 30s with this mentality you're not going to get to 35

1:41:54

go oh [ __ ] I've been doing everything wrong I'm gonna reform and turn it

1:42:00

around and like try to get married and have a baby without tremendous difficulty that's an

1:42:07

extremely hard switch to flip because even if you find a great guy and even if

1:42:13

he can support you so you can have a baby for you to go from this self uh

1:42:19

oriented view of the world where everything's about you and your sexual power and and getting clicks and likes

1:42:25

and attention and I'm perfect the way I am to suddenly okay it's not really about me anymore and maybe I only got

1:42:32

four hours of sleep last night but someone still has to get up and make the breakfast and this baby is crying so I

1:42:37

have to go get the baby whether I'm ready to wake up or not you know the the sacrificial nature of motherhood is an

1:42:43

extremely tough transition for these women and I've seen it in my own life with women I know really well that when

1:42:50

they try to suddenly switch over and do the Trad mom stuff in their mid-30s it's

1:42:55

really hard on them it's hard to get pregnant it's hard to make that mental switch it's hard to cope all of a sudden

1:43:02

with your life being not about you anymore so I'm often really thankful

1:43:08

that the Lord saw fit for me to be a mother when I was young because I think it was one of the best things that could

1:43:13

have happened to me I never built my entire view of myself around my attractiveness or my sexuality it was

1:43:21

built around other things like what I could do for the people around me uh service to the people I love in my life

1:43:28

um things a value that I could provide to the world of my intelligence things

1:43:33

like that and I think that's much better for women I think it destroys them when we when we do it the other way

1:43:40

but a lot of women they don't actually feel the urgency to become a wife and mother until their body starts telling

1:43:46

them because no one tells them their life so one of the things that I'm running into on Twitter is like hey Christians you got to start discipling

1:43:52

your daughter to be wives and mothers under the age of 25 you got to start doing that and I hear crickets when I

1:43:58

say that okay good I'm not alone and it's not right okay it's like oh no women

1:44:04

shouldn't women should be wives and mothers but not but not my daughter right obviously right and and so so what

1:44:11

can we begin doing to address that younger generation it's like hey you better start thinking about this before

1:44:17

your body wakes you up to this because by that point it's quite lit it's quite late in in many respects yeah you're

1:44:24

totally right about that and that is one of the that's one of the hardest pieces of conditioning to push back against and

1:44:30

this is where the lack of support for women who want to be mothers comes from so like it really started with the baby

1:44:36

boomer generation being super heavily programmed that you have to have a

1:44:44

college degree or your life's going to be bad right if you don't I mean my parents just absolutely pounded this

1:44:51

into my head and so did every teacher I had especially because I was in like a gifted kid program when I was young so

1:44:56

it was like oh you're going to go to college you have to go don't even think about not going to college so what even

1:45:03

what good Christian parents tell their kids now their daughters is you have to

1:45:08

do well in school you must go to college and have a degree once you get out of college you have to build a career once

1:45:15

you're financially stable and all those things are set then you can begin to think about looking for a husband and

1:45:22

having a family now does that work for some people sure does it cause serious

1:45:27

problems for many people yes it does and here's why Once A girl has invested all of the K

1:45:34

through 12 years in her education and achieving enough in the education system

1:45:39

to get into a good college and get a scholarship or things like that and then she goes another four maybe six years in

1:45:45

in University she comes out with you know now what 16

1:45:51

to 18 years of investment of hard work that she's put in she's probably going

1:45:56

to come out with an average of 35 to 45 000 in college debt that's the average now and by the way most college debt is

1:46:04

not held by women 65 percent of all college debt is held by women you wonder why they don't want to have babies it's

1:46:10

because they get out with all this debt all this investment put in and of course they feel like well now I

1:46:16

have to build a career because I got to make enough money to pay off all these student loans and I don't want to have wasted all why tell women to invest all

1:46:24

this time and effort in an education if you're going to be a mom like

1:46:30

this drove me nuts about the Trump Administration they have this huge program with Ivanka Trump pushing

1:46:37

mothers into the workplace we're going to get mothers back to work we're going to make it easier for mothers to go back

1:46:42

to work and I was like the lone voice in the wilderness going what you know because if you want to know why

1:46:48

the average woman only has 1.3 children in America now that's why it would make

1:46:54

no sense to all of a sudden when you're 30 and you've invested all of your

1:46:59

life's efforts up to that point in your education and career to go okay now it's time to stay home and have kids

1:47:05

who would do that it makes no sense so why are we telling them that and it's because we've had Decades of propaganda

1:47:11

scaring the [ __ ] out of everybody that if your daughter doesn't have her own degree and her own career and her own

1:47:17

money she's going to end up with an abusive husband that's always the underlying threat and so we fear-monger

Fearmongering Motherhood

1:47:23

women to death about what could happen to them if they are in the vulnerable

1:47:29

situation of being a stay-at-home mom and dependent on their husband but think about this everybody why don't we also

1:47:38

fear Monger career women about all the things that can go wrong there do we bother to tell young women that the vast

1:47:44

majority of women who get a degree don't even get a job in the thing they got the

1:47:49

degree in or they make way less money than they thought the average woman makes 40 000 a year with a degree

1:47:56

she's got 40 000 in debt she makes forty thousand a year that's not a very good trade-off and we don't say oh you you

1:48:04

want to be uh you know you want to be a hair stylist what if you cut off a finger what if you become allergic to

1:48:10

the chemicals you're working with what are you going to do then or like 80 of psychology degrees are now earned by

1:48:16

women we don't tell women why are you getting a degree in Psychology the market is completely saturated and

1:48:21

you're never going to get a good paying job this is a terrible return on investment we don't ever say that to

1:48:27

them so again it's this lack of rationally and objectively looking at

1:48:33

okay why am I picking this path what's the return on investment how's my life

1:48:38

going to go what about the second half of my life right it's all based on fear-mongering and

1:48:43

propaganda that women are at risk if they don't have a degree in their own

1:48:48

money and that's just simply not true it's just it's a silly uh it sounds

1:48:54

right because you've heard it so much but it's actually not the case we do not see this epidemic of married women like

1:49:02

just being abused and insane right we don't see that what we see is the opposite those women tend to fare better

1:49:08

report better happiness have all the statistics suggest they are in a safer

1:49:13

living situation a more stable living situation they have a brighter you know financial future ahead and they have a

1:49:20

more fulfilling second half of their lives uh and we don't say that to working women

1:49:25

so I think that this idea that college is for everyone is brand new we never

1:49:31

used to tell women that every single woman has to go to hell we never said every single man has to go to college

1:49:36

University was invented for like that top five or ten percent of really smart people who needed specific academic

1:49:44

training in a certain field it was never meant to be for every single person that happened in 1966 when the United Nations

1:49:51

figured out that University Systems were a great place for indoctrination and

1:49:57

social engineering and so we're going to push everyone there right and because they did want to steer

1:50:04

towards certain career paths and fill certain fields and things like that but it was never this idea that just the

1:50:09

powers that beat care so much about women no sorry they don't they don't care about you they don't care about your safety

1:50:15

the corporation you go to work for is going to replace you the day after you die they'll go oh Mary died that's so

1:50:21

sad well you better get that job posting up because we got to fill that spot whereas if you're a mother like I am if

1:50:28

something happens to me I'm not replaceable you know my loss would be felt for for a

1:50:34

long time to come not that I want that but it means that I if I want a legacy this is the way to build a legacy not by

1:50:40

going to work in a cubicle or or try to be a Sex in the City girl or something like that so

1:50:47

it's it's got a lot to do with propaganda and messaging and the fact that people don't look to the church

1:50:54

anymore for their purpose in life for guidance uh nobody goes to their priest for counsel anymore they go to a

1:51:00

psychologist who's gonna tell them all this feminist nonsense you know so it's

1:51:05

it's a symptom of a spiritual problem but as far as the practical way to solve

1:51:11

it I mean that's a it's a really tough nut to crack I think you and I have talked about some good ideas and some

1:51:17

things that would be helpful um but we'll just have to see if people

1:51:22

listen let's see if people like me and all the others that we've talked about are going to be listened to and if

1:51:28

people will like what we're saying is gonna sit well with people and if they'll follow it or if they're gonna decide that more girl lost feminism

1:51:36

Taylor Swift and Beyonce stuff is the way to go I guess yeah do we Engage The War do we withdraw

1:51:43

from the battlefield do we let it let it all collapse enjoy the decline do we do we do we fight the good fight on on

1:51:49

social media like what's what's what I think these are questions that we all sit with every day yeah for sure and I

1:51:56

mean revolutions can go both ways right like I said if uh

1:52:02

if we got here this way we can we can get out of it but I don't know if that'll happen um what I do know is that each person

1:52:09

listening to this can decide for themselves and that's that's why I try primarily to get younger women to think

1:52:16

about this like people gave me a lot of criticism for working with pearl and some of the like younger gen Z crowd but

1:52:22

I'm like why do I want to talk to women my age who are already past you know those years I want to reach the younger

1:52:29

girls that my daughters are friends with who think who are convinced that they

1:52:35

are bisexual who uh think that having a baby is gross and icky and think that

1:52:41

they're all like ever this is so funny every single one of these girls okay is

1:52:47

gonna be either a veterinarian or a psychologist every friend that all of my daughters

1:52:53

have and I bet all of you listening if you have young ladies in your life you ask them what they want to do they all

1:52:58

think they're I'm like first of all you're taking care of people and animals why do you think

1:53:03

you're drawn to this could it be that you have a motherly Instinct and then it's like do you all

1:53:09

really think you're gonna be a veterinarian or a psychologist like every little girl is going to grow up and do these same few jobs

1:53:17

um now I just think that it's a it's a product of all the propaganda so you can

1:53:23

fight the propaganda War you can fight the culture War um but that doesn't mean that we're just

1:53:29

gonna win right I think a lot of people have this black and white idea that like you either win or you if you're not

1:53:35

first or last right that kind of a thing it's like the whole world is never gonna

1:53:41

follow us and Christ tells us you know that the world will hate you first if the world hates you it's because they

1:53:47

hated me first so we're never going to get the whole world on our side but we

1:53:52

can certainly make improvements we can certainly give hope for people who are looking I guess that's the point right

1:53:58

it's like if there's young women out there who are kind of like I don't know I feel like something's off

1:54:04

but I guess I'll just do what everyone's telling me they usually end up looking and finding the truth so for the people

1:54:11

who want to find out what's going on for the people who want to find out the truth they'll probably get here at some

1:54:17

point I just hope they find it before it's too late for them that's why I'm trying to

1:54:22

tailor my message to younger people to the extent that I can I'm a 45 year old lady I'm not like cool really my kids

1:54:29

tell me every day I'm not cool I'm trying my best yeah

1:54:35

yeah well do you want to talk about your work with pearl a little bit I mean I I know who she is I don't follow her I don't I

1:54:42

haven't watched her Channel it hasn't seemed like something that it seems like probably something now that I should pay attention to but I know that she's

1:54:47

making a lot of waves and it looks like she's having a lot of fun as well which is always the best thing to see

1:54:53

yeah so she and I like it's kind of funny because in a way you think that

1:54:58

it's likely people to push this message she was a like a semi-pro athlete she's six foot tall volleyball player very

1:55:04

athletic she's been playing since she was young uh like three to five hours a day of her life growing up was you know

1:55:11

preparing for this career as a volleyball or basketball athlete she's a

1:55:17

die-hard tomboy but she's from a big family and she did was raised by two parents so she had that going for her

1:55:23

and then I also have like a tomboy background I'm a Firearms instructor on the side I do oh wow yeah I do CPL and

1:55:31

basic pistol instruction with my dad and um like I lift weights and I listened to

1:55:37

heavy metal and stuff like that so I have like this very tomboy background growing up on farms all my friends were

1:55:43

guys and stuff like that when I was little and then as I got older and became a mom then I found my femininity

1:55:48

and and really embraced that side of myself as well which is another reason why I don't like the the trans stuff

1:55:55

because I feel like I would have been a prime target for that if I had been born 30 years later I probably could have

1:56:03

been convinced I was supposed to be a boy when I was little but you know like

1:56:08

all girls we go through our awkward years and then we become women and then we embrace our femininity through

1:56:14

motherhood and things like that so I do have a heart for those young ladies too who are being targeted with

1:56:21

that propaganda but what Pearl and I both kind of she she started to find like red pill stuff about two years ago

1:56:28

and she is um she's a little bit I would say abnormally rational for a woman uh the

1:56:35

same thing's been said about me Edward Dutton said he said in his British voice oh you might be one of these minority of

1:56:42

women that has the mind of a man aren't you and I was like maybe a little bit you know what I mean

1:56:48

part of part of my brain is very analytical that way so I think we kind of looked around and went but this

1:56:55

doesn't make sense you know it's kind of just starts with the sense that things don't add up and you're like but why you're very curious so you go digging

1:57:02

and looking and you know she finds red pill stuff and I start looking into history and we both kind of figured out

1:57:08

different aspects of this feminism stuff now she's very provocative she's very controversial

1:57:14

she knows that she is but she's like hey if I'm not a little provocative uh no one's ever gonna hear what I'm saying

1:57:19

anyway so and she's not afraid to do it and I admire that about her so I was like let's do a show or something and I

1:57:26

sent her my book and she was like whoa this is really good stuff like let's do a show so we did one stream together

1:57:32

that did really really well and got crazy good feedback then she was

1:57:38

like okay let's let's get into this religion stuff a little bit which I give her credit for because in the red pill

1:57:43

circles that's not very popular no it's not very acceptable in a lot of those circles so she got some pushback but

1:57:50

she's like well bring on a couple people you think would be good so I brought Tim Gordon who is a Catholic who's written a

1:57:56

book on patriarchy his wife wrote an awesome book called ask your husband uh she's a stay-at-home mom like me with a

1:58:03

big family and I brought Jay Dyer who's an Orthodox Christian and then Pearl brought Glenn Lawrence who's a red pill

1:58:10

guy but a Protestant Christian and we talked about this idea of infiltration

1:58:15

of the institutions which includes the church by the way the church has been targeted by the same Powers because

1:58:21

religious institutions are extremely influential so if you're a wealthy billionaire philanthropist who wants to

1:58:28

redesign Society you're gonna Target the churches and they have so we went over all of that evidence and explain how

1:58:34

that works so um we may be doing some other stuff coming up that I can't tell you about

1:58:40

yet but it's kind of this idea you know she gets accused of being a grifter all the time so do I but I think it's a

1:58:46

little easier to Target her because they're like why aren't you married why don't you have kids and she's like look I'm a product of the generation I was

1:58:53

raised into I only figured this out two years ago like what do you want me to do like poof a husband into existence it's

1:59:00

a little it's a little complicated for her at this point so not that she doesn't want that she does but she's

1:59:06

like look I'm just pointing out what's going on I'm not saying I'm an example I'm not giving people advice I'm just

1:59:12

asking the questions and presenting the information okay so she really does she

1:59:18

I've talked to her a lot in private and she she does believe in this stuff right she believes feminism is stupid and it's

1:59:25

ruining everything she's like I could have turned out totally different why was I raised to be

1:59:30

an athlete like why was there this big push for me to be an athlete and go to college she's like now I'm 26 and it's

1:59:37

really hard for me to all of a sudden transition over to get married and have kids because well now

1:59:44

she's already found some professional success and like I said it's just hard to like just flip a switch all of a

1:59:50

sudden and be a Trad wife so for her personally it's caused some struggle for her in her life and she's like look

1:59:57

I just see things how they are and I'm just saying this is what I'm seeing right so that's kind of her perspective

2:00:03

on it and then mine is like uh you know it's driven more by my maternal Instinct

2:00:08

and the future of my kids and hopefully I'll have lots of grandkids I'm really concerned about what how children are

2:00:15

growing up and what kind of homes they have and I'm sure she's concerned about those things too but we just have like

2:00:20

this common interest and we both just see it as a giant facade we basically see it as a huge

2:00:26

um scam that's been run on everybody and if you see that don't you have an

2:00:32

obligation to say something about it you know so so both of us just feel like

2:00:37

let's just get some attention on this let's start exposing stuff let's start talking about data and facts and history

2:00:43

and maybe once people actually examine this rather than just being conditioned by

2:00:51

Propaganda some of this will start to break down and I feel like I guess we could kind of end it on this sort of a

2:00:57

note this movement claims to be by women for women I've been told my whole life

2:01:04

that I owe it to these Brave feminist activists who came before me that I

2:01:10

couldn't do anything if it wasn't for them which isn't true but I'm like at the very least if this is supposed to be

2:01:16

for me for my daughters if it's supposed to be for Pearl right if feminism's for

2:01:22

us why don't we have a right to scrutinize it why don't we have a right to evaluate it in its totality and

2:01:29

decide if we think it was good enough for us or not if we think it made things better for us or not don't tell us that

2:01:36

women deserve to be heard and women are important and this is all for women and then also say you are not allowed to

2:01:43

question it and how dare you say anything negative about it and don't you dare examine the outcomes of this revolution

2:01:51

I think that's absurd and I think as women we have every right to decide if feminism actually helped us or if it was

2:01:58

detrimental to us at the very least so I mean that's how I feel about it so I

2:02:03

don't think no matter how much hate mail I get I don't think I'm going to be staying quiet about it anytime soon

2:02:09

nor do I think you should I think that was beautiful thank you for that yeah absolutely

2:02:15

yeah well this is this conversation has been an enormous blessing and I have many female listeners I think they're going to get a lot of it but the male

2:02:21

listeners as well so thank you so much for your book and thank you for your work and thank you for for for again

2:02:27

fighting the good fight on social media against us against this giant scam yeah well same to you

2:02:38

to you super happy that you came out of the New Age and and that you found Christ because that's like you said it's

2:02:44

a huge blessing for your life and I don't think people know what a blessing that is until it happens for them so if

2:02:50

people kind of want to know about you know why Rachel how did you become so

2:02:56

based you know like how'd you get so based really it's because I took the

2:03:02

Christ pill right so uh luckily a side effect of my work has met a lot of people looking back into Christianity

2:03:09

looking back at the church you know um I get a lot of messages like that too so if I can help in that way I'm happy to

2:03:16

do that too yeah there's a giant new age to Christ movement happening and it's driving a

2:03:21

lot of new age influencers crazy because they can't stop it it's also more to talk about

2:03:28

awesome well where would you like to send people to find out more about you and what you do sure um you can go to my sub stack I've

2:03:34

got a lot of you know other work I publish on there it's R

2:03:40

wilson.substack.com you can go to my YouTube channel which is just Rachel Wilson or you can buy my book on Amazon

2:03:47

it's occult feminism the secret history of women's liberation wonderful and it actually return Amazon

2:03:54

will actually bring it up in search results now because it didn't when I looked for it in February yeah the

2:03:59

feminists the feminists tried to mass report my book as not being my own

2:04:04

intellectual property to try to get it taken down so I had to do a whole appeal

2:04:09

with Amazon and prove that it was my book and then they put it back up but yeah they've got troll reviews on my

2:04:17

account that I can't get removed so if you guys do read the book and you love it I would totally appreciate a good

2:04:22

review just to counteract some of the uh phony their obvious troll reviews but

2:04:28

for some reason they're extremely hard to get removed so oh good I'll go do that so thank you

2:04:34

again Rachel thank you so much