celebrities are very stupid people room IQ temperature mouth

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breathing neanderthals who might be extremely good-looking who really wants

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to get their their world viiew from Taylor Swift these are Fallen depraved

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low character people who have nothing to offer these people are not worth anything so why are we why are we glad

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to hear them being famous doesn't mean that you're smart and it doesn't mean that you know what you're talking about

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Tom Cruz is a member of the Church of Scientology and so is John Travolta you know they profess to be wise but they

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they why they profess to be wise they themselves became fools and I think I think you know you can put whatever

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medal all over them and award all over them and just you know put them on whatever red carpet you want to but if they're an idiot before God they're just

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a fool these people are need to sit down and be quiet and learn something and

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then sit under Spiritual Authority and then be vetted and then from there maybe

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you can bring some to the

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conversation hello my name is Will Spencer and welcome to the will Spencer podcast this is a weekly show where I

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have deep conversations with authors leaders and influencers who help us understand our changing World new

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episodes drop every Friday my guest today is Spencer Smith a husband father

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fundamentalist Baptist pastor and the creative force behind the incredible documentary series third adom now let me

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be direct mysticism is real the occult is real the new age isn't just feel-good

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fluff world religions aren't playing with Imaginary Friends these connect to

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actual spiritual realities forces that people can tap into Ally with and use

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against others I can't say it any clearer than that yet no matter how many content creators influencers and authors

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point this out many Christians still resist these truths look I get it you

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can dig too deep into this stuff that's one ditch on the road but there's another ditch ignoring it completely

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plugging your ears covering your eyes and burying your head in the sand but just look at the New Testament

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Supernatural realities are everywhere demons get cast out by the legion Angels

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announce risen saviors Sorcerers follow Apostles to learn their secrets girls

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become possessed with divining spirits and some ghouls even say things like Jesus I know and Paul I recognize but

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who are you acts 19:1 15 so do fallen angels have office meetings does Satan

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use PowerPoint how does that work exactly but seriously if we believe God's word is true don't we have to

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accept that Supernatural forces exist and interact with us and that we can

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interact with them scary thought right nobody wants to believe there might actually be a little devil on their

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shoulder especially not in our atheist materialist rationalist world but if we truly believe the Bible we must face

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this possibility and much more I see no reason why it shouldn't be true if you're still skeptical fine let's say

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there is a reason beyond our fears and hidden secularism why these realities might not exist anymore are you willing

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to take a look at evidence that says otherwise because back in the 70s 80s and 90s the church took this much more

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seriously authors like constant Cumby wrote wrote The Hidden dangers of the rainbow Douglas grus wrote unmasking The

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New Age and Walter Martin's Works expose these realities they showed Evangelical

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Christians still reeling from the 1960s what the new age Witchcraft and the

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Occult really meant then came nap time everyone just forgot the church took its

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eye way off the ball this let mystical beliefs take root grow and spread until

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people just accepted them now Joe Rogan casually discusses DMT elves occult

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rituals show up at Major TV events yoga studios sit on every corner and newspapers still print horoscopes but

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here's the worst part what if the occult and new age have spread even further what if they've reached Church

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sanctuaries what if they've infected the teaching preaching and beliefs of pastors themselves and that's where

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Spencer Smith comes in his third adom documentaries which are free on YouTube show the occult and New Age influence on

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Christianity in a way that no book can with video and audio evidence using preachers own words and practices he

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provides literally damning proof that the church has changed and Spencer's documentaries aren't amateur work they

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show real heart commitment and skill this isn't just some kid in his basement

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well okay he is in his basement and his humor gets a bit juvenile at times but that's not the point Spencer has

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mastered this material investing serious time and effort he's done the hard work to bring these subject home to you he

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wants you equipped aware and ready to spot these influences when they appear and trust me after watching his

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documentaries you will spot them maybe too close for comfort in your church your community your family background or

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even God forbid your own home the Christian Church's blindness hasn't gone unnoticed in fact mysticism and the

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Occult have claimed huge pieces of cultural and Theological ground and record time we're living in occupied

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territory in my interview with Carl TYB about Burning Man proved that maybe we can't change what happens in the Nevada

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desert fair enough but if you're ready to push back against what's happening in the church Spencer will arm you with

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guest on the podcast a rip roaring good time with the producer and director of the third Adam documentaries my bro

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Spencer Smith Spencer Smith director of the third Adam series of documentaries

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welcome back to the will Spencer podcast thank you glad to be here I have been so

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looking forward to this conversation the last time we talked I think I'd seen the first of your three third adom um films

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and I watched the third adom 4 recently and truly man I was really Blown Away by

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your work as many of my listeners know I sort of came up for the new age world and I don't know that I've seen anyone

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from inside the world of Christendom document the ideas and principles as well as you have so congratulations to

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you and thank you amen thank you it was a lot of work but it was a it was a worth a work worth doing and so we're

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glad to see God use it praise God so for those of you who aren't for those

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listening who aren't familiar with the third adom series maybe we can talk just for a moment about the overarching

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philosophy of it the Theology of it I suppose and then how you got into this work in general when the when the

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project started well yeah I was um you know I was working in in Kenya going back and

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forth taking several trips a year there I think I've done over 20 trips to to Kenya working with Nationals over there

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and um you know I was just talking to them and saying hey guys okay so what's the big deal with um some of the problems you guys are facing cuz I want

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to I want to come alongside to assist you guys and help you succeed and and they all without any question said it's

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the the charismatic movement is the enemy over here this is the big enemy of the Gospel this is uh these are the

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people that we have to push back against it's not fun it's not good um and I said well what what do I need to know so I

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can maybe kind of help help fight back against this stuff and they said well you have to understand Spencer that the

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the charismatic movement over here is nothing more than the occult repackaged and I said you know wow okay

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and and they told me that and they they they live up in there was a town that called man Kenya which was like the Witchcraft capital of Kenya for a while

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and um and they told me said these guys are these witch doctors are the same thing as these charismatic preachers and

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they're they're operating by the same power maybe just a different variation of it but ultimately it's the same thing

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and that really just that was a like quite a load to roll on to me yeah and

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uh me and my blessed little ifb ignorance right there had no idea what that was um you just you just dropped a

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theological Warhead on me and um and so I I went home and wrestled with that and

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I said okay well let's see I mean you telling me Hill song is the occult that's that's a big one yeah big leap

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yeah and so I started listening to it and I I started noticing saying and I

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would listen to it because I was trying to like you know I liked it I was just trying to listen to what it was and um

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and so I I notic that these people are just they just some they're just not plugged in the same outlet that I am mhm

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um and then I started listening to bethl and then that took me to Elevation I stuck my head into the world of Steven fdick and then I stuck my head in the

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world of all this stuff and I thought oh my goodness these people are the occult they absolutely are um they're not maybe

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not black magic but they're ultimately a white magic form of this stuff and um

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and then that sent me on the Journey of having to understand what the occult was and trying to understand the new age and

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then not completely oppress Myself by going in there and you know reading everything thing imaginable from that

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and I had to kind of God gave me the right places to talk to and God actually put people in my life to to teach me

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where the places to look were and um and so and I thank God for that and so I was able to take that information uh filter

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it through my theological understanding and say that yes there is a one world religion trying to be formed right now

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and the and the motive is unity and love and kindness and set aside all your

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doctrinal differences and come together in some kumbai you you know mush in the middle and um and that ultimately the

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music was going to be a vehicle by which this was was happening and and and

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that's ultimately Satan's goal give up your Doctrine and just join the rest of us just do all that and I I see all not

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just Independent Baptist Churches but I saw I mean I saw evangelicals I saw the reformed crowd I saw a lot of even

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Lutheran Churches were getting into this stuff and U and I decided okay let's just put this stuff out there and it

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became third and third Adam really uh we dropped that one March excuse me February 1st 2020 so

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oh wow um it was the providential timing of God for that to happen and from there

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our YouTube channel kept growing six months later on H June 6 I did um I did

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third atom two and then uh about a year later I did third atom three and then a year after that I did third Adam four

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and we're about 18 months after third atam four and I still haven't haven't done third atam five yet so but that's

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where we are now the whole series as as a whole I think we're closing in on 3 million views on the whole series and

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it's a blessing so uh I really am glad for the opportunity I want to do 10 of them that's my my goal and um there's a

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lot we can do a lot of different angles we can go with it because it's just it's like it's it's so prevalent and it's

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everywhere and I I want to try to Captivate all this stuff and get it but i' appreciate your prayers on that but

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uh definitely the Lord has helped me to do it and I thank God for that that and it's it's really been a great thing I

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had no idea that it started as a result of your overseas Ministry work I think I had heard you mention that maybe in

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another interview or in a podcast briefly but that's not what I would have expected that you would have heard about

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it over in Africa and that would have sent you on the journey that it did I bet you didn't expect hearing that

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little bit of information that it would send you you know on a journey 3 million views later later no I I had no idea I

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really didn't and um it it keep telling those Pastors in Africa you guys mess me up you know and uh you guys really

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ruined my life telling me stuff like that don't tell me stuff like that you because I believe it and uh

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so but you know we uh I I really love those men over there and I've tried to help them tried to give my life to

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Mission work and stuff like that and um and it's been a blessing to see God use it it's been a joy so as you came back

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this is very interesting to me so as you came back with that bit of knowledge that kind of uh you know like the movie

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Inception that just sort of plants the seed of an idea and as you start digging into this what was you can you remember

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the first thing that you discovered that was like oh wow maybe there's some reality to this that sort of gave you

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the clue like there could be a path through the through the jungle here well

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um one of the first aha moments that I had was

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understanding okay it was understanding Eastern martial

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arts okay and um I remember back in my childhood I remember I went to the movie

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theater as a little boy watching The Karate Kid and you remember how you know Daniel laruso had that sore shoulder and

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he's complaining about it Mr Miagi goes and touches his shoulder and heals his shoulder and I thought oh wow I mean

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that is that not what Kenneth copelan does is that not what Benny Hinn does is that not this like literally the exact

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same thing and I thought there it is that's it and and let me go find examples of this and

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I just put it together on the screen and said here's a Pentecostal Church here is a Eastern Mystic here is a uh you know

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here is a charismatic worship service here is a Hindu in India doing the exact same stuff um and I say that they they

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are the exact same fruit because they come from the exact same root that's the same Spirit the same Source just maybe a

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different slant on it one one is brown people and yellow people doing it in the East the other one's white people doing

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it in the west it's the same thing and um and I think my my my years of

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traveling gave me that perspective to where I could I could say that and um and for me I've I've never you know

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that's what I tell Folks at the beginning of third adom three I said I'm going to show you things that you you'll see things in this film that you'll

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never unsee and um and for me i' I've been ruined I I can't unsee it I just I've

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seen too much mhm yeah it it changes you once you see it but the trick is getting

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people to see it some people might look at that and say oh well that's completely different one is Christian

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and the other is various forms of pagan but you had actually discovered that they do spring from the same root did

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you did you have trouble convincing people of that because yes the surface appearances can look one way but

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convincing them that it issues from the same Source I imagine that was a different challenge I got a lot of hate from

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people that were deeply rooted in the charismatic world yeah I bet you know

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like like and I'm put it to you this way I got a lot of hate from people whose paycheck dependent on believing this I

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put it through that way okay um but people sitting in the pews saw this instantly said oh my

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goodness what why are we even here and they left and I don't know how many charismatic churches I've split brother

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but it it it's been a lot um and I don't know how many charismatic having my face

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on the wall and throwing darts at me every week but it's probably been a lot um and and and I'm good with that I feel

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good I H I'm happy about that um but you

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know what what I've discovered is that if I if I don't if I slice it down to

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like okay just music here here's Hill song is is like eminite pretty boy

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Barbie music for Christians and it's not that's not what you need to be listening to you need more masculine you need to

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broaden your you know okay okay if I narrow it down and just make that attack people get mad yeah and it's and it's

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the Barbie pretty boy crowd that gets mad and says why are you doing judging me oh that's what they do um but if I

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tie it into the occult and show that the source of this music is is something that is completely theologically

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nefarious then everybody's pretty well okay with that said yeah you got a point and U that I think that's really why

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this Series has been so successful is because you know I'm not I'm not arguing purple lights skinny jeans and I'm not

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arguing hair and I'm not arguing um you know I'm really not even arguing the um

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the tone of their voice or anything like that I'm I'm arguing the big picture stuff and and I and my the difference

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for me is is that I think I've got the basics of the occult and the new age down enough so that I can speak about it

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with knowledge and Authority whereas a lot of people can't and that I think that's the difference for me mhm yeah

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you've really this was especially apparent in um third Adam four that you had really done the work

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to master the material because I came I think as we talked about like I came pre-bundled into Christianity with this

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knowledge because that was my world and so to some extent I guess I would say I took it for granted almost and so as I'm

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watching you know third adom 4 I'm like oh wow Spencer has really mastered this

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stuff from the outside which is which is quite difficult to do because in a sense you have to get inside the mindset to

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see how all the pie is fit in a way and it is it does all click into place in this very nefarious way but it's hard to

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first of all to believe that it's real which it is and then there's so much work that needs to be done to understand

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how all the pieces fit together and it seemed that I think as I let you know that you had you had really synthesized

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everything into into the picture that I understood coming from that world right yeah well and it's I I here's what I've

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done and I don't ask God to show me the understanding of the cult I I I that would be absurd to pray that but um what

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what happened was in The Book of Revelation John saw the woman and um and the angel of the Lord said unto John I

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will show Thee the mystery of the woman and I ask God to show me the

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mystery of the woman I want to see you know not just understand this just for this I want to understand this as to so

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that I can understand how it applies to the church and how it applies to the overall deception game plan of Satan

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that's what I I want to understand I want to see I want to see how this works and I I think God has to some degree answered that prayer in my life I want

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help me to see this mystery of the woman I want to uh you know I don't want to be ignorant of Satan's devices show me what

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we're up against and I think God has to some degree and um you know it's been

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it's been tough it's been tough trying to just uh trying to make sense of it all because when you're dealing with

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something like this you're dealing with something that has no set Doctrine it's it's a fluid evolving you know just a

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rolling everything's changing um and that's why the Bible calls it mystery

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religion um because it's it's it glories in its Evolution it's always changing

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and evolving and whatever and uh but if you if you understand it well enough you can understand the patterns and the and

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the basics of it well enough to spot it and um and I think I think that's where I am now I think I can understand the

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basics and see the pattern recognition of it and it's very multifaceted it's everywhere it's in politics it's in

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music it's in it's in Hollywood um you know there's so much of that stuff in the Hollywood movies I I I I almost

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can't even hardly watch anything anymore um and it's ridiculous brother but but I

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think we need to know that as Christians so that we don't get swept away into something like that and it tries to

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pretend that it doesn't exist oh this is just art oh it's just me being creative or whatever it's not actually real but

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it is actually it is actually really real that that the performance of the thing has e

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even if you even if the audience doesn't believe it a good example is all these Super Bowl halftime shows and maybe we

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could we could talk about kend Kendrick Lamar which just took place a few days ago if you'd like but you know I think

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that one was kind of noteworthy for its lack of over occultt symbolism but the movie uh movie awards Grammy Awards you

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know so many music videos and films everything in popular culture has become ultic in nature and this stuff is real

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it has it has real impact yeah oh yeah it's it's yeah yeah it's absolutely real there's no question um anybody who would

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say that there's nothing to this is crazy you don't know what you're talking about um this is a real religion that

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these people actually believe in they actually do practice it openly in front of your children and um and once you

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once you understand that you can you can start to guard yourself from it and keep yourself away from it um you know there

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there are and I would say this too one thing you have to understand there's different degrees of it as well it's uh you know like there was what Sam Smith I

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don't even know he he claims these non-binaries that that's American singer or something like that um and he he he

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did that he did a song called Unholy at the Grammys and um I don't get it but a

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lot of these Evangelical songwriters were there maybe sitting in the audience watching that while that happened and

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got their Grammy a few hours later that evening I don't understand how that works but whatever um but um so that was

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over the toop blatant in your face demonism the man was wearing red horns and a pitchfork and dancing around and

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so that's that's overtly occultic but there is more subtle versions of the occult that I think are just as

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dangerous if not even more dangerous than that and that's the type of stuff I talk about because that's the type of stuff that takes on a form where it

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operates inside of a building that calls itself a church but it's um it's it's

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just as dangerous is just as demonic it's just as evil but it has a veneer of positivity sweetness and even I would

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even say say a veneer of Christianity and when you look at it that way you understand that men like Steven ferdi

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and Bill Johnson are some of the most dangerous people alive today uh even even Beyond alist Crowley and Alice

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Bailey and all that stuff these people are dangerous and um I think it's easy to see the the problems with Kenneth

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Copeland because the man I mean the man wears his demon face on his face you know I mean the man's just completely

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just eat up with all that but you got guys like you know Brandon Lake and you got guys like uh step fdick and you got

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so many other guys out there um uh I forget that one guy toml oh Carl Lin You

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Know Carl I watch Carl's podcast Carl's very likable he's a very intelligent guy but he's just evil he just is an evil

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human and uh I mean honestly brother you can't you can't tell me a man who's that sensual who's that Playboy is is right

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with God ain't no way that's right and um you know he he just got it written all over over him brother he's got it

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written all he got the mark of sensuality on everything even his teeth are sensual I mean really and uh he just

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he's got it written all over him and um and so that that's just all It's All Flesh it's all it's all the work of of

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Flesh a't no the spirit of God is not within a million miles of that kind of people and so that's the type of stuff

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I'm using my influence to expose and talk about and um and I wish I wish uh I

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wish to be used to call out the wolves in my day and

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there's a bunch of them there's going to be more and more and more as time goes on but that's what I hope to do and I think if I can do that I'd be a I would

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be of great service to uh the the local church in these last days so to that

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point uh maybe you can talk for a minute about some of the costs you've paid talking about the stuff you mentioned

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that charismatic preachers through a darts at your photo on the wall and you've and you've split churches not you

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personally but the what you've discovered people who are committed to these doctrines and practices and people

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who want nothing to do with it maybe you can talk a little bit about your journey of putting this information out there

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and some of the costs that you've paid maybe in terms of relationships friendships career family Etc well

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anytime uh you start to speak on these things the devil makes sure that that

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people react the wrong way or they mishear things um you know one of the

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greatest tools of Satan is to uh magnify The Faults of the messenger so that

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people will eventually ignore the message and that's one of his great tools and and I've suffered great

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personal attacks uh on my own life um you know people people just nitpick me

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for everything imaginable it's almost ridiculous and um and and that's just that's part of it um anytime you're a

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public figure that's the kind of stuff you're going to go through I can I can imagine what itd be like being you know a major politician or something like

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that who's doing the right thing um but um I've lost I've lost support I've lost

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friends over a lot of this stuff um I've lost opportunities in Ministry uh but

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through all that God has paid me all that back you know three three to five tenfold you know um I've got more

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friends now than I know what to do with I got more opportunities now than I know what to do with um it's really been a

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blessing and and I think what happens I just speak to my world uh the Baptist

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world that I'm in um when when my YouTube channel started taking off um

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people started actually listening to me that was weird to a lot of these guys because no you don't listen people don't

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listen to our kind you know we're the we're the weird ones off in the corner here people don't listen to us and so

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when when people started listening to what I was saying um some good men started question say there must there's

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got to be something wrong with him you and uh um so and I I liken that to the

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story of David going to the Battle of uh to the valley of elaw and seeing nobody fighting against

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El against Goliath and he says is there not a cause what are yall doing you know

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everybody just accuses his character well he just want to do something from God um and that's that's just it and so

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that was that was been my game plan but you know I've I've I I think spiritually I've I've had a hard time sometimes with

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this stuff because every time I try to every time I come right to the point put out a documentary man I'm telling you I get I get a bunch of crazy stuff happens

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in my life I got like uh during the work of third Adam 4 I got I think about five

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letters from the IRS and I'm Ser bro I pay taxes I I am I

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am everything I do is on the up and up I mean I am squeaky clean with everything okay I've got I I I pay I don't know how

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I pay way too much for an accountant and uh to make sure everything's right okay right and I've got a CPA I've got all

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I've got lawyers I've got everything so I got all my bases covered but um you know I've got I've got way too much uh I

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got five letters from the IRS saying you know you your your tax returns were wrong it was just it really what it

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ended up being it was completely insane errors on their part the irs's part the

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IRS is part yeah no way um you know they they sent me a letter saying I owed them

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$30,000 and I'm like from what oh wow how what I didn't even pay you guys that

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much um and and you know I looked at it I thought this is and it was some stock

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trading thing that I didn't even do um and turns out you know they had got a wrong letter from something and a

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Crossway it was a mess and a long story short after about the fifth letter I handed it all to my CPA and we we got

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all squared away end up they owed me money and so I got like a thousand bucks from the IRS thank you very much for was

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for wasting your time you know um so but just weird stuff like that happens to me I get um you know uh um and I I just

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know it's the devil it's just trying to do that stuff to me but I anytime a man

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stands for what's right in this world there's going to be an opposition to it and the whole world's backwards we're

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we're we're just we're trying our best just to um stay right over here do have

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the right stand of the right Spirit that's what we're trying to do and just leave the results up to God and God's given us some good results and I'm

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thankful for that I appreciate you sharing those stories because they wouldn't necessarily be

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obvious from like just from watching the YouTube channel to know the behind the scenes of yes producing these

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documentaries and the supporting material around it uh is an effort unto

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itself to compile the footage to review it to edit you know to produce to edit

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and release it and then support it that is an effort meanwhile you have actual

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attacks spiritual relational emotional Financial governmental bureaucratic

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coming after you trying to throw you off Mission trying to exploit your

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weaknesses or trying to attack your character so that the message itself can be taken down that's not totally

29:39

unexpected like it's not like oh my gosh really like it makes sense but it's not something that you would necessarily

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surface you know in the documentary itself like a little bit at the End by the way this is what happened while producing this I I appreciate you

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sharing that yeah well praise the Lord yeah I've I've had um I mean it's not like I've been beat up and been you know

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chewed up and spit out but I mean i' I've you know we've had some opposition to this stuff um you know I had uh what

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what was it Greg lock got mad at me couple years ago and threatened to sue me publicly and all this kind of stuff

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because some of the things that I had said about his Doctrine and um so it was it just we we've we've ruffled some

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feathers and for that I'm thankful so it's been uh it's been wild though and I I I enjoy what I do and um you know and

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don't get me wrong I don't I don't have like some sadistic you know thrill out of making everybody mad that's not how I

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am uh but I I I do love seeing truth

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going forward and it affecting people and it affects a lot of people the right

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way sometimes it affects people the wrong way and that's that's just I you read the book of Acts you can see that happening almost every page um but I I I

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to me that's that's validation that God's at work and for that I'm glad I'm just glad I'm on The Winning Side

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brother it's fun I'm grateful for you too and I think you bring the right Spirit to it you know someone who was

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maybe more from the reformed tradition and is more intellectual and heady about everything like it would take on a a

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heaviness to it right a theological a theological heaviness and maybe an academic Spirit but you bring a

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light-hearted spirit sort of humorous right sort of jovial that is much more inviting to talk about topics that are

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frankly pretty dark well I have to be

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jovial it's heavy stuff man yeah and uh you know and excuse me I've um I've I've

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been sick I apologize but um I uh you know I I I love living I love life I I

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love having fun I I'm having a good time over here I I enjoy my family we always have a lot

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of fun together um and I think apologetic should be fun it's it's a fight it's it's you know

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we're going to contend for the faith but the some same time it's the very end we got to keep I I just did that book on

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wandering stars in The Book of Jude and uh you know the at the beginning it says earnestly contend for the faith and then

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at the very end of it says keep yourself in the love of God and if some have compassion making a difference so you

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know there's a balance in all that you got to be you got to fight but you got to stand and stand sweet while you're doing so and um that's always been my

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goal I my my granddaddy was a marine and um and he knew how to be mean oh my

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goodness he knew how to be mean um but he was mean about the right things and he was just mean just for the sake of

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being mean and um and I think that's that's what men need to hear today

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there's a difference you don't you know you ain't got to stand up there and just poke with an eye and the finger of everybody that you disagree with all the

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time but the same time there are some things worth fighting over and we need to argue over them and stand for them

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and um and the balance and all that's very hard to find but if you can find it lock on to it it's worth keeping amen

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maybe talk a little bit more about being mean for the right things because I think we' agree that we live in a

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heavily feminized culture right with that that prioritizes feelings and

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safety quote unquote but there is there is a righteous form of meanness to error

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to lies to wolves and false teachers say say more about um about being the right

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kind of mean well I um I saw a video I forget what it was um I think some men

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were floating down a creek on some Alaska hunt and there was two baby grizzly bears on the on the banks there

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and I'm talking about they were like 10 ft from these these baby bears and uh

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and one guy said get the gun get the gun right now and the guy grabbed a shotgun and held it up and um sure enough some

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gigantic mama bear just burst through the bushes and started running through the creek and running at those men and

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um and he fired two shots in the air scared the Bears off they ran away and um but the video footage of that Mama

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grizzly bear running through that Creek like it was nothing and I'm talking about 400 lb animal that could have just

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jumped and tore that whole uh that whole Raff full of dudes to Pieces um that was

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horrifying okay but people have to understand that from that Bear's

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perspective that was an act of Love MH okay um it looked mean but it was

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motivated by love and compassion for her own baby cubs and I think today we've

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we've warped love into thinking that it's an ultra passive non um

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non-confrontational um type of deal and and that's not love that's a that's a perversion of um of love it's not

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biblical love in a sense now when I think of of of the perfect man I think of the Lord Jesus Christ Jesus was very

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compassionate to people he wept with people um he loved people he he he touched the lepers you know he put his

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hands on them and touched them um he had children in his lap as he stood there and talked and you know he but one of

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the things he said he he he he took stands and he said something matter of fact one of the one of the times he was

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preaching had a child in his lap and he said If any man ever offend one of these little little ones it'd be best if a millstone be cast around his neck he be

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cast in the depth of the sea Jesus said that with a child in his lap that that that would have been a little bit tense

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don't you think um but Grace and Truth are two things two they're siamese twins

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and if you have one without the other you don't have anything and um I think I think I think evangelicalism gets too

35:34

too gracious I think they're too lovey-dovey I think they're too too soft on things um and that's why um in

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evangelicalism there's a there's a plethora of female influencers who I don't think have the

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uh the gear necessary to militantly stand on theological truth I think I

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think their feminine nature takes over and I think um even what was her name Megan Basham she even said that a while

36:00

back that women shouldn't be pastors because of that um and I I agree with her but then also you got these you know

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the hardcore crazy staunch uh fundamentalists that are almost dipping their toe into cult-like territory

36:12

they're all truth but no Grace and um they're they're they're just like you know nasty people and I think I think

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you don't have to be a fundamentalist to be that but I think some people just nasty they just you know uh you're all going to hell and have have f while

36:27

you're doing it you know just we don't care anything for you um I think I think there's a balance there Grace and Truth

36:34

and Christ had Grace but he also had truth and I I want to I want to do that I want to I want to stand firm on what's

36:39

right but I also want to be kind and inviting and uh endearing as a person somebody emailed me a while back and

36:45

gave me a great compliment and I thank God for it uh this guy emailed me and told me a sad story about the type of

36:51

church he had grown up in and how it was real phical legalistic or whatever you want to call it and then he emailed me

36:58

he said um I just want to let you know that my whole life I've been antagonized by people like you but I watch you and

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you're different he said you're you're you're kind of fun and uh he said you're

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you're ex kind of interesting to you know he said I kind of I appreciate what you're saying and he said I appreciate

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the way you say it too and um and I think um to me that was a high

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compliment I love that I almost print it out and put it on my wall just so my wife could see it you know

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and but um I I think that's the goal for all of us we you know you may not agree with me on on everything and that's fine

37:34

but at least you you you see that I'm acting in good faith and trying to help and um and if you could see that that's

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enough for me I I mean I see that and I think that's what I think that the first one the first one of uh the third adom

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films that I saw was third adom 3 I think a friend of mine it was either two or three a friend of mine showed it to

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me and that was the that was really like oh wow this is a this is a different approach this is fun this is enjoyable

37:58

it's very it's very personal just real quick if if you don't mind what does your wife think about all this oh she

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she thinks it's it's great um she kind of gets a a kick out of how people get so mad at something that I said that was

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just like basic Bible theology she's like what do people not agree with this like what's this is makes sense to me uh

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but you know I I don't rope my wife into the online controversy world you know just let her be the mother of the kid

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and you know let me be the mean old monster online you know and so you big meanie yeah that's what we do so uh but

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she she she's glad that she's like me she's glad the Lord's using it and we praise the Lord for that was she sort of

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watching you discover the stuff you'd show her what you were learning and you're both just like sitting around the dinner table like what is going on yeah

38:49

yeah just like uh you know we I got into the third atom three stuff and she's like oh boy this is not going to go well

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and uh she she laughed at it you know um but but really I I be I'll tell you the truth out of all the third Adams I did

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third atom 3 was the one I got the least Flack for really uhhuh I I really think so I

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got the least Flack for that and it was because I was I I for me and and it's it's just maybe this because I don't

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know everything but for me I took an angle on women that I don't think anybody else ever taken and um I wasn't

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sitting there saying you know get in the kitchen raise babies and go make a sandwich you know all I wasn't all that

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I was saying listen you're you're vitally important to the plan of God immensely so probably more important

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all of us and because of that God has put a covering over you called your husband to protect you and you need that

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you that that's God's design and uh you know it's kind of like your head in in in the battle your head's very important

39:48

to your overall bodily function that's why we put a helmet on it okay because if your head takes a blow it doesn't

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matter how good your kidneys are if your head got just you know split in half with an axe on the battlefield it doesn't your

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kidneys are going to die everything dies when the head dies and um and so that's what we say God you know God has given

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us women they're very important um but if if you get messed up then every

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everything gets messed up and when a when a you know I think it was John AR rice the old fundamental Baptist preacher years ago said he said as a as

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go the women so go the nation and I agree with that women today are brats women today are complete

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narcissistic Kim Kardashian never had any consequences to anything um they're

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monsters and uh there I there I go being mean and um but women today have not you

40:41

know they've they've they've been spoiled and they've been messed up and so they messed their children up they

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messed their marriages up they messed their churches up they mess their um I mean they messed their societies up I

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mean and uh they they become very destructive creatures when they're not in the position that God's put them to

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be in and God has ordained for them to be and when I put it that way I don't I don't know any reasonable woman who can

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who can say that was wrong and I give examples of that and so um you know but

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that that was really a fun one to make I enjoyed that one and then I did the third adom 3x where I added a lot more

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information to it it's over four hours long that one's available too so I put a lot of Catholic information in there on that but um and a lot of information

41:25

about women goddesses and that type stuff so that was really a fun project I'm I'm glad for that just out to make

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as many friends as possible e brother I need I'm stacking friends like trading

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cards around here buddy I see them in the background yes yes it's a lot of fun

41:42

brother I'm having time of my life ye well so let's let's uh let's go from

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there let's actually work through what each individual third adom documentary is about so 1 2 3 3x I guess and then

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four and then we'll kind of build up to where things are at today and focus particularly on third Adam 4 where you

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sort of take a broader perspective well let's start with third adom 1 what what was what was that uh documentary about

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basically it's the idea um I believe that there's a coming Antichrist okay okay I am a uh I'm premillennial in my

42:13

view of scriptures and I think that you know um I think there's an antichrist coming a one world leader I think all

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the all the scriptures there um but at the same time you don't have to be

42:23

premillennial to see what I'm saying in third atom okay I believe the world system has programmed people slanted

42:29

their minds away from God and I even I believe the entertainment is the music I

42:35

believe it's churches I believe um false churches rather I believe it's the occult I believe it's it's so much that

42:42

is pulling people's minds away from the Lord I believe those Marvel movies were designed to uh make you think that

42:48

Thanos was Jesus and um you know if the second coming of Jesus Christ there's the Bible says there going to be a lot

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of people standing there in the valley of megiddo want ready to fight him and uh you know and that right there you go

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you go read or go watch the Marvel movies with Thanos I think the Marvel movies um are the Book of Revelation

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told from Satan's perspective that Thanos is evil Thanos is Jesus and Thanos is evil he's coming to invade

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this planet we've got to stand against behind a hero who can um help us fight off this terrible space invader type

43:21

creature um that's out there that's that's kind of been the theme of a lot of movies for a long time and I think

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that um just just every little thing like that has been slanted um to make

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people think that uh that Jesus is the bad guy and so and also in third atom one we put in there that the modern

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charismatic movement is adopted something called the seven Mountain mandate and the Seven Mountain mandate

43:46

is a form of postmillennialism that guys like Sean fo I believe um uh several other Nar guys

43:54

believe this and they are um their very problematic view they believe that we're

43:59

going to usher in the Kingdom we're going to take the kingdom by force which sounds like something right out of the knight's Templar and um and they're very

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dangerous people theologically but uh you know that's the crowd that Donald Trump has surrounded himself with and so

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I just talk about that and just say look the the whole point of third Adam one there is a demonic deception that's

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pretended to be Christianity you need to find the difference between the two and get yourself in a church that believes the right side of this mhm because if

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not there is a coming destruction upon people and you don't want to be a part of that that was basically the message

44:32

and I put it out there I thought that'd be it I didn't think anybody ever listened to it I thought maybe this get 10,000 views praise the Lord um we're

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almost 900,000 views on that video now wow and uh so for that I say am man but

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um man I just I didn't think it'd ever go that far but it did and uh really sparked a whole movement is what it did

44:53

um so that was good and then um uh third Adam two you want to just jump through each of them then yeah actually I want

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yeah we'll jump through each one and then I'll go back and ask you a couple questions yeah um and the third adem too I'll just sum it up real quick uh third

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Adam two I talked about what is the what is paganism okay let's just go through that okay paganism is the religion of

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nimrod and and it was the idea of the Tower of Babel and I believe the Tower of Babel was not a tower like we think

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in a western sense I believe the Tower of Babel was a pyramid yeah zigurat right yeah Zig yeah something like that

45:25

there something along those lines and um and then I believe when God confounded the languages all these people went

45:30

across the world and started making pyramids and zigurat all across the world um and that's why we have so many

45:35

pyramids today that's that's I believe that's what happened and um I believe the great work of Satan in the last days

45:42

is unity and one of the things that Satan is going to use he can't since he can't use Doctrine to unify people he's

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going to use experience to unify people and there you go we have charismatics and Hindus and Buddhists all having the

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same exact experience and so they're going to unite together as a one world religion and by the way one of the great groups of people today one of the most

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prominent groups of people today that's having uh tongue talking and rolling in the floor and stuff like that are

46:07

Catholics and people don't realize that but it's actually the Catholic church that is doing a lot of this stuff right

46:12

now oh boy um so all these tongue talkers are going to get together and and you've seen Hindu people talk in

46:18

tongues or have some sort of thing similar to that you've seen that um and it's all the same thing it's demonic and

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so they're going to come together under experience and under music and they're going to unite and create a one world

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religion that's third item two third item three is uh God is using women to drive a lot of this stuff in the local

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church um women who don't know their place in God's order and God's plan and

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um you know and and it's the idea of a feminine form of Christianity and the idea of a female Holy Spirit that's what

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third adom 3 is all about and the the feminine Spirit the the which is called

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the shikina um the feminine quote unquote Holy Spirit feminizes men and it

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masculines women and so it reverses the order of the genders and the churches and so if a man's if a man's filled with

47:08

the true holy spirit of God he's going to be masculine but if a man's filled with this false Holy Spirit the shakana spirit um then he's going to be F

47:15

feminine is all day and and that's 90% of your your contemporary worship singers They're they're I mean I mean

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they're one eyebrow job away from being a full transgender I mean they totally are

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and uh it's bad brother and so so good I apologize no it's great

47:34

please turn turn that up I love it I mean that's that's what these guys are I mean I I I I wonder if they I don't know

47:41

I have so many questions about these things um and so that's third adom three

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third at 3x is more extended version of that with more goddess worship and and emphasizing that and the third and four I explain the spirit energy uh the

47:54

spirit Power behind all this stuff What It Is What It manifest itself in other religions and things like that and how

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that these people are not operating under the power of the Holy Spirit they're operating under the spirit that now worketh in the children of

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Disobedience Ephesians chapter number two there's two Spirits there's there's two kingdoms there's two gospels there's

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two spirits and that was the outline of third out them four and uh we wrapped that project up in right about four

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hours so that was good just a short little just a short little overview yeah just a uh just a minor uh minor

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exploration of these topics yeah so yeah and the total of the length of all the

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documentary so far must be what 12 15 hours something like that that's that's over 12 yeah wow wow so um so let's go

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back to third out of one you mentioned the N that's the New Apostolic reformation and you have the 12 Mountain

48:48

mandate you mentioned postmillennialism now this is a this is very interesting because uh I'm sort of in a different

48:53

sort of Doug wilsonian form of postmillennialism which is which is a different form of like we're going to take power by force

49:00

so maybe you can talk a little bit about the n and the and the sorry is it seven Mountain mandate not the 12 Mountain

49:06

mandate yeah the seven Mountain mandate they they believe that we're going to try to push back and try to christianize

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seven different main areas of society one of them being art government schooling um and I forget all of them

49:19

off the top of my head um but the problem is okay that sounds really good

49:24

sounds really good but but you have to realize who these people are that are actually saying this we're going to

49:30

christianize this okay these people are horrible doctrinally um they're they're scary

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they're they they they believe in the religion of the kns Templar is what they do and um and basically if they got

49:44

their way they would be a tyrannical government is what they would be they would they would uh I mean if you didn't talk in tongues if you didn't um do the

49:53

things they do it would be very problematic for you as a Christian so that that is what they're into and of

49:59

course that that feeds into my premillennial views of uh of you know it's gonna there's G be great falling

50:05

away and I believe that there's is going to be a one world religion going forward in the Book of Revelation I have a

50:10

futuristic view of the Book of Revelation and um I think there's going to be a one world religion going forward

50:15

and they're going to try their very best for that so it's not necessarily like more of a Protestant I think uh Jonathan

50:20

Edwards was post-millennial and um because in his day everything was getting better and better better everything's getting great

50:26

a lot of people get saved a lot that kind of stuff um I think I really think

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um World War I and World War II really hurt the post-millennial view because

50:37

people thought the world was getting a lot worse after that uh now but if Donald Trump keeps doing things he's doing now I might become post-millennial

50:43

after it's all over with bu I'll tell you what I'm excited uh but no um but

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that that's when when these people say this is what we're trying to do it's very dangerous it's very nefarious and

50:55

um that's the difference with these guys so the it's it's not a a Biblical spirit

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it's it's a it's a different kind of spirit it's a spirit of dominion like not a good kind of maybe domination

51:07

would be a better word than Dominion there's a there's a character to it now is the seven Mountain mandate New

51:13

Apostolic Reformation I remember there were times where I had heard a lot more about it but is it still going strong or

51:19

has it fallen off a little bit I haven't heard much about it lately well I mean it's I think with with bethl and all

51:26

these a lot of things have kind of gone quiet with them for about a year um and

51:31

I don't know if they've got smart they wised up a little bit I think it's still going but I think that they um I think

51:38

maybe they've kind of become a little bit more subtle and I'm kind of waiting where they're going to pop up next but there are very prominent guys out there

51:44

like Sean Foy who believes this uh you got uh Paula White Kane who just became the White House Faith office leader of

51:51

all that um she believes in all that so it's still it's still there um and I

51:57

think in time as Donald Trump kind of becomes you know as the whole office of the the Golden Era if you will of Donald

52:04

Trump pans out we're going to see how this plays out but yeah they still believe that and they're still trying to

52:09

make that happen and I I don't know what their angle is now but we'll see that's so interesting I've had a

52:15

number of conversation L Lately from individuals that are not connected to each other so these are people that have

52:20

reached out to me friends influential people and I've just having and they don't know each other and we've all been talking about it seems that one of the

52:28

things that's behind the Trump Administration is this push for this AI transhumanism so Peter teal Elon Musk

52:36

right and that is that is explicitly their goal an aid driven transhumanist future they're open about it and so it's

52:43

interesting that there's that the seven Mountain mandate these people are kind of in that mix and so gosh I don't

52:51

really know what I don't know what to make of that off the top of my head I don't either all right so I'm I'm I'm

52:57

sorry that's boring podcasting but I don't either no no I mean it's I think it's important like these were subjects

53:04

like of course I think we all have questions about Elon musk's theology let's say and some of the things yes of

53:10

course X's you know X is X for sure and you the SpaceX stuff he does is exciting

53:16

and I like some of the Doge stuff that's going on and I think all of those things are very easy to to cheer for on the

53:22

surface but the ideology behind it is is less exciting you know perhaps yeah

53:28

please go ahead I think it I think it all boils down all transhumanism uh all all this stuff boils down to man wants

53:35

to live forever and man wants to escape the curse that he's under and man wants

53:41

to be his own God I I think um I think that really I watched a video from uh

53:48

Elon Musk a while back about going to Mars and he said the the wording he used we need to expand Consciousness Beyond

53:55

this planet mhm and that right there tell like whoa buddy you know there we go and so he's trying to create he's

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trying to keep Life Alive outside the umbrella of the curse of God it seems

54:08

like what they're trying to do and um and maybe that's what's written on the conscience of man is that this this

54:15

planet is doomed you know God has judged this thing and so maybe that that's their their carnal response is to escape

54:23

that and and some people I don't know I don't know if exactly brother if we can know exactly what Nimrod was trying to

54:28

do with the Tower of Babel I don't know if we can exactly know his motive exactly know what he was even trying to

54:35

accomplish um I I think that he was trying to usurp God I think he hated God

54:43

I think he was trying to do some sort of ritual that would have given him the power to live forever and and escape the

54:50

very Judgment of God that's my take on that um and I think that maybe in a in a

54:58

different sense space exploration um expanding Consciousness

55:03

to other planets um and this whole transhumanism type stuff is another

55:09

variation of that trying to escape the the curse trying to escape this planet

55:15

trying to escape the Judgment of God and uh better ourselves so we'll live forever I think that's what I think

55:21

that's what this is inherently now of course there are obvious exceptions to that I have to use the Scott Adams

55:27

phrase of course there's obvious exceptions but I think in general that's what they're trying to do it's a little

55:34

bit like um I think I remember in the uh previous iteration of Mark Zuckerberg

55:41

when he was more the computer dork before he was the Gen Z bro uh there was

55:46

a lot more talk about uploading our Consciousness into the internet or something like that and we can live

55:52

forever that way but now it seems like they're trying for a different kind of live forever which is maybe expanding

55:58

our Consciousness onto other planets or into the cosmos sort of still trying to escape death maybe it's just the new

56:05

shinier version of that well and and really brother there's there's literally no difference between what you said and

56:11

what Mormonism is all right let's go that's exactly

56:16

what Mormonism is Mormonism is Babylon 5 whatever that TV show was and uh we're

56:23

we're going to be our own Gods we're going to be our own yah ways of our own planets we're going to have our own Adam

56:28

and evees we're going to be I mean how how much more dark of a religion do you

56:33

want I mean that's that's what Mormonism is and um I'm sorry I'm giving away what

56:39

my research in the next uh the next installment of third atom is but uh even

56:44

more friends to be made yeah this is this is where it's going and um the idea

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that I can be my own God of my own Planet I mean and even video games are doing that right now no man's sky is a

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video game very popular right now you can go be your own God of your own Planet Ru your own thing um and nobody

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mess with you um I mean this this is where it all goes I think people are trying to escape God you know um and

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this is why I think this is why David said in the Psalms you know if I if I Ascend to the heavens above Thou Art

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there if I Ascend to the hell below Thou Art there there is no escaping the Lord and man wants to escape God because the

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man's a criminal and he wants to escape the sheriff you know and he knows there's a day coming where he's going to

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meet that judgment and he wants to try to avoid it rather than get it right and um I I'm I'm just astounded at the links

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Fallen man will go to avoid the Judgment of God upon himself rather than just repent and get trust Christ and that's

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where we're that's where we're heading but Mormonism is a sick nasty religion I can't believe anybody would ever want

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anything to do with that chosen TV series that is nothing that is produced by Mormons paid for by Mormons and

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Dallas Jenkins is out of his everloving mind trying to tell people on these podcasts that uh that the Mormons that

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work on that show worship the same Jesus that he does well truth be told that's that's actually factually correct

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because he doesn't worship Dallas Jenkins is not a Christian Dallas Jenkins is a poate liberal and uh and I

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don't know how guys like Allan par let Dallas Jenkins get on his on his channel and say stuff like that without any

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rebuttal whatsoever um oh my goodness what's wrong with you people all of you are compromisers and liberals I can't

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believe it and uh uh so that's a big problem brother and so that's where the

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being mean comes in you got to stand against this Mormonism stuff this stuff is from hell is evil uh the man was a

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free Joseph Smith was a Freemason um he was a Mystic he had a seeing stone that

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he put in top inside of a top hat he put the Hat over his face and he would have mystical Visions about where you know

58:47

about theological Concepts and he put all that in the print and I mean I mean you know and and and really to me one of

58:54

the greatest American stories of all time is Joseph Smith died did you ever read about that he was murdered wasn't

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he oh yeah yeah big time um it was it was really amazing um yeah yeah Jo okay

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so Joseph Smith was running around and and like trying to marry everybody's 13-year-old daughter okay oh that's

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where he's like oh and by the way polygamy is okay now yeah man no problem and by the way you're you're you know

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your wife's cute why don't why don't me and you have have co-h usband of her um

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and and a lot of just you know he kept pulling that stun on people a lot people got fed up with him and he split his own

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little denomination and a lot of people went like left his town he like he had his own town in Illinois okay of like

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10,000 people and he had a um he said okay we're going to have I forget the name of the town but he said we're going

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to have uh our own town everybody's going to be here we're going have like a com commune and um I'm going to need a

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bunch of you men to kind of volunteer to be the uh the military of this thing kind of like just to be the the military

59:52

Protectors of it well he had 2500 men out of that 10,000 people came forward and said we'll be the military and and

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and somebody in Washington got whiffed that this there's a man over in Illinois that's got a standing army of 2 200

1:00:05

people which at that point could have been very very much a rival to the continental US American Army at that

1:00:12

time and that didn't that didn't sit well with a lot of people everybody's like what is happening with this guy um

1:00:18

and then you know so he's he's a warlord he's so powerful he he you know and and he's he's literally having every man's

1:00:24

wife that he wants I mean just insane well he a lot of people left the town and went to the town over I this man is

1:00:31

crazy this man is like David caresh has nothing on Joseph Smith like nothing on

1:00:37

this guy neither does Jim Jones these people like this man was in was insane

1:00:42

um so he split his denomination they went over to a town over they they bought a printing press and started printing the things that Joseph Smith

1:00:49

was doing and distributing this stuff to the local people well Joseph Smith sent

1:00:55

that standing arm over there to to take over that printing press they arrested

1:01:00

The Men Who print that stuff and broke that printing press to pieces and the governor of Illinois found out about it

1:01:06

and and had Joseph Smith and his brother arrested and once when they did that um

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Joseph Smith was waiting trial well um

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the word got out okay he's in jail and he's got an Army of 2 200 men they're

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just going to go break him out of jail and bring him back in 10 so let's go get him before that happens so a couple

1:01:30

hundred men showed up to the jail they started you know trying to break into the jail to get to Joseph Smith and uh

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they got into the jail sale they killed Joseph Smith's Brother Joseph Smith had a pistol that he had been able to smuggle in there he shot and killed two

1:01:44

guys and then was able to break out the window and he jumped out of the window

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of the second story he landed on the ground and when he got there on the ground that those couple hundred men

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just blew him to pieces shot him hundreds of times and he died right there and so that's American history for

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you okay um that's the end of Joseph Smith do you want to follow that

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religion do you want to follow this man I mean th this is this is Mormonism

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this is what people are into and I don't know how you could say that that's not

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slightly problematic but here we are uh

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please hold sir this is a

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Wendy's coughin oh Lord we're gonna we'll be

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right back after this commercial break oh boy yeah okay so no would be

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[Laughter] sorry I've been sick I'm killing Spencer

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okay okay well that's uh I've uh that's wild and no I don't think I'd like to

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belong to that religion and uh it's funny because I like just this morning

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it's funny this came up I was listening to a sermon by Jeff Durban of apologia church this from this past week about uh

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some passages in Proverbs God's Sovereign will and so apologia church has done long-term Outreach to Mormons

1:03:28

in the Mesa Tempe Chandler area where the church is and and um and uh Pastor

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Jeff was talking about how Joseph Smith and the the Mormon community at the time

1:03:40

paid a lot of money to BU some Egyptian Papyrus called The Book of Abraham and

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he claimed to have translated it because Egyptian was a dead language and then years later they found the Rosetta Stone

1:03:52

so they could actually interpret you know what the what the thing says and he got like none of it right yeah

1:03:58

completely none and some of and some of those papy some of those translations are still in this book called The Quad

1:04:05

today like they're still using these false I was I found that astounding especially because I'm seeing a rising

1:04:12

tide of Mormonism on X a little bit like I've got a number of guys that I follow

1:04:17

that are profess Mormons and you know some of them are quite good accounts right but I didn't know about any of

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this any of this stuff and yeah please go ahead no the well Mormonism too

1:04:28

another thing you got to understand about them and they don't tell you this on the surface but you get they believe in heavenly father but they also believe

1:04:34

in heavenly mother so there's your divine feminine goddess woman they believe in her and

1:04:41

they are a mystery cult that's exactly what they are and for Dallas Jenkins to say these people worship the same Jesus

1:04:47

that Evangelical Christians do is just not a statement of fact it it's it's

1:04:53

just not so um he's either a liar or a fool or he's both to say that and I think he's

1:05:01

both um but Mormonism is not your friend it's it's it's the enemy of Christianity

1:05:08

it's the enemy of of anybody who wants to go to heaven absolutely it's the enemy of the gospel and uh and I just

1:05:15

I'm blown away at how bad this wicked religion is these people get into the stuff it's sad watching them get into

1:05:21

that yeah it's also a religion about deification of the self right like you

1:05:26

become your own God you mentioned like no man's Sky mhm un I mean I I can I

1:05:32

guess I can understand how that would be appealing I just don't know how you call that Christianity well you you know I mean

1:05:39

that's what people do they they they do Romans 1 they create a God in their own image into their own likeness however

1:05:46

they want to make him and if if he's the god of Christianity then he is because

1:05:51

you say so but you have no biblical reason to say that and uh there's a lot people out there are saying this is you

1:05:56

know Jesus wouldn't have done that and they don't even know what they're talking about and uh you know like kind

1:06:02

of like jelly roll that uh that singer out there I saw him on the flagrant podcast he was attacking the local

1:06:07

church today and he said that if Jesus was around today he'd be sitting he'd be have he'd have prostitutes in his lap

1:06:14

and he'd be riding around with a Harley everywhere he went jelly roll said that jelly roll said that a man named Jelly R

1:06:20

would say that yeah absolutely I mean guy with face tattoos all over him looks like the .1% of germs that Lysol can't

1:06:28

kill you know saying making theological statements about who Jesus Christ is I'm sorry I've just not buying that thank

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you very much and uh goodness gracious man uh but that's what that's what

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they're doing Romans one is talking about you know they they created a god into the likeness of of man and really

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what they've done is they they've they've created a God in the likeness of themselves and ultimately have made themselves God in a sense that's uh I

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mean I I I remember there was a post on Instagram about jelly roll making Christian sounding noises and I'm like I

1:07:00

don't I don't know that that this guy knows what he's talking about and I got so many hate comments in response to

1:07:06

that just it's amazing how how yeah how far to the mat people will go to defend

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celebrity quot quote air quotes professions of Faith they'll they'll go hard on that well I'll tell you why that

1:07:18

is that's because evangelicalism is too worldly and evangelicalism is not

1:07:23

separated enough that's one of the reasons why I call my myself fundamentalist is because I don't I don't believe there is a such thing as Christian rap and Christian rock I don't

1:07:30

I just don't think there is a such thing right there with you yeah and I think John Cooper is not a good man I don't

1:07:36

think I do not think this man needs to be in authority on anything spiritual or theological or biblical the man the man

1:07:42

doesn't know what he's talking about he's he's he lives a life that has disqualified himself from any of that

1:07:47

public discourse need to be had um and but evangelicalism is okay with that

1:07:53

they think we can merge holy things with worldly things and therefore we kind of create this this

1:07:59

gray matter in the middle between the black and the white and God's in that too and that right there is so

1:08:05

completely dangerous because that's how the new age works the new age is like

1:08:10

the Borg from Star Trek they they merge everything together into one M that's what the Theo theosophy was is just mish

1:08:18

mash all the religions together and let's just find the good things in them and just believe that and um and it's

1:08:25

it's hard if if I were to say evangelicalism although it maintains on

1:08:32

paper a form of Orthodox theological views but in practice actually

1:08:39

practices very similarly to the occult if I were to say that I don't know if that'd be exactly right but it wouldn't

1:08:45

be way off because these people just it's like the and one and this manifests itself in

1:08:52

many different ways but one of the ways when when when Kanye West got saved they went after me as if I was

1:09:01

like like I don't I think they would have had more Grace with Jason and and

1:09:06

and the nightmare in Elm Street Freddy Krueger okay I mean I they I was Public Enemy Number One saying hey I don't

1:09:12

think Kanye is saved I think he's a I think he's into some sort of weird stuff with his mind he probably just having a bipolar swing into religiosity and it's

1:09:20

not time to really get excited about this guy let's just give him some time to see if he figures all this out and and look where he is today the man's

1:09:26

posting all kinds of Filth all over the Internet you know um the man's in bad bad shape and

1:09:32

so you know that's that's the problem today is that we we we have too broad of a definition of what Christian is and we

1:09:40

don't have a biblical definition what Christian is and that gets a lot of Christians to today in trouble just

1:09:46

follow what the Bible says the biblical Christianity will not be cool ever it

1:09:51

will not you you you will not be popular you will not be you know they're not going to ask you to

1:09:57

perform at the Grammys if you believe the Bible as it's as is written okay and

1:10:03

um that that's just what I want people to know and that's just that's a that's just a statement of biblical fact that's all that is sorry no I fully agree with

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you I think we you mentioned theosophy earlier and the one religion that

1:10:16

theosophy can't synthesize syncretize is biblical Christianity it can't it can't

1:10:21

swallow it it can't digest it the scriptures cannot be broken but that doesn't mean they're not going to

1:10:27

try and this has always been my point particularly with Russell bran though plenty of others that the real danger of

1:10:34

these celebrity professions of faith is that they don't know what they're talking about right and let's let's give

1:10:39

them the benefit of the doubt that they're sincere I don't know that they always deserve it but let's give them that benefit of the doubt even if they

1:10:46

don't know what they're talking about the Temptation that they will face is if biblical Christianity is not going to be

1:10:52

popular and they're invested in their popularity they will s often their Christianity to admit new ideas and

1:10:58

these men and women with these giant platforms will say I'm a Christian right for however many months and they say and

1:11:04

I also think abortion is okay and the millions of people who follow them will be like well this celebrity said it so

1:11:10

abortion must be okay those fundamentalists over there clearly don't know what they're talking about and so theosophy the new age whatever you want

1:11:17

to call it will find its way through the back door into the church and people will get so attached to their celebrity

1:11:24

Idol their celebrity icon that severing themselves from that worldliness will be

1:11:29

a cut too deep and that's that's the real risk that I see the church facing one of them anyway yeah absolutely and

1:11:36

and and brother uh what was his name Tim TBO a couple years ago did a book and I bought the book and I read

1:11:43

the book I I a't read nothing from Tim T in a long time it was the most nonsense

1:11:50

bunch of nothing I I'd read from any professing Christian in a long time

1:11:56

um The Gospel was not present the gospel was not there um and and and I I just

1:12:02

read a book saying you know this is this is generic spirituality there's a great life you can have this amazing life if

1:12:09

you'll just you know if you'll just work hard and you'll just follow your dreams and if you'll just get up every morning

1:12:15

and and just get to work and and don't let the naysayers tell you you're wrong and don't let people tell you that that

1:12:22

you know you can't have the life that you want listen you have got to you've got one life and you got to go live this

1:12:29

amazing powerful life that you want to live and if you'll do that at your deathbed you'll say that was awesome I

1:12:36

lived a great life I did amazing things and I'm reading this book saying this is

1:12:41

not biblical Christianity this is this is

1:12:47

generic Gog that makes you feel good okay and if Tim TBO

1:12:56

I mean I'm sitting there saying this guy is like every Southern Baptist homeschool kid in the world wants to be

1:13:02

this guy okay if if every Southern Baptist father of a teenage daughter

1:13:09

wishes he like the man would give his right arm if his daughter would marry a Timbo okay they exalt this man to where

1:13:17

he's an amazing figure he is like the poster boy of evangelicalism but what he's saying is not even biblical what

1:13:24

he's saying is just flat out stupid and and I'm just like you know and and and and it's hard like I believe

1:13:31

you ought to get up and chase your dreams and I believe you ought to go and live ignore the naysayers and go go find

1:13:36

a goal and go give your life to something I think that's fine but if you detach that from

1:13:42

Christian theology is not fine that's just humanism and I think that's what Timbo has gotten into and I think that's

1:13:49

what he preaches but the people in the pews that are reading these books and are saying this is a good book they

1:13:55

don't know what Christianity is either because they go to a church that Christianity is not being taught it is

1:14:00

this vague form of positivity of of fleshly worldliness of you know o Rah go

1:14:07

find your dreams go go live your best life now as Joel oin so wonderfully put it um and it's it's it's it's new age

1:14:15

spirituality it's not it's not Christianity at all and I think there

1:14:20

there there is a grand conspiracy brother will Spencer there is a grand conspiracy of foot where the

1:14:28

hard-hitting theological truths of Christianity have slowly been pushed out

1:14:33

the back and they've been replaced with these very positive very sweet generic

1:14:38

spiritual statements that are not based in biblical truth and I mean look go look at the

1:14:46

life of the Apostle Paul and tell me that man was living some sort of Prosperity Gospel lifestyle I just think you're crazy if you find that there you

1:14:53

got to smoke a lot of dope to be able to find that in your scriptures because it's not there and these these people

1:15:00

who are into this stuff I don't think they're Christians I just don't I I I they are plugged into a

1:15:06

different Outlet than I am um and I'm not saying everybody who disagrees with me is not saved but I'm just saying

1:15:12

these people are so bad on so much it really makes me wonder and I think that

1:15:18

um going forward we're going to see a lot of problems with this type stuff because you can't it it's and I put this

1:15:25

in my book it's called Thumper theology if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all well if you if

1:15:31

you can't say anything negative about anything ever you can't preach the Bible you just can't and uh I mean I

1:15:38

read the book of First Corinthians when I first got saved and I was amazed at how much he scorched those people over

1:15:44

sexual sin publicly and um I mean even even called out specific situations and I'm sure

1:15:51

when that church read that letter they knew exactly what he was talking about m mhm and um so I I I'm amazed at how

1:15:58

direct it was and how how the emphasis was on Holiness and the emphasis was not off go go live your best life go chase

1:16:04

your dreams go make it happen oah Timbo in some ways has become an agent of

1:16:10

Satan in that sense that he's traded biblical Christianity for something positive and sweet and nice that sounds

1:16:15

really good and make you it pretends like it'll give you a fulfilled life but it's just not it's just not biblical

1:16:20

Christianity and that's the problem with these guys they're so close but they're so far does that make sense it makes

1:16:26

perfect sense it's like uh it's like Jordan Peterson right like he he can he can speak he obviously is familiar with

1:16:32

the Western Canon and scripture but what he does is he takes biblical

1:16:37

Christianity and filters it through a yian lens and interprets it all as some myth that's trying to guide us to some

1:16:42

inner truth and it's like yeah bro no how can you read how can you read the

1:16:48

Bible and walk away with that it's just it's baffling to me yeah he is the master allegorize of the scripture

1:16:56

and uh you know Abraham and Isaac was was a uh wasn't an actual event it was more like a spiritual state of being

1:17:02

that you're got to sacrifice your Isaac you know so that you can please the greater good I'm like what is you know

1:17:08

and he's like you got to get up every day you got to make your bed and go sacrifice your comfort on the altar of

1:17:14

uh losing weight so that you can have a greater good in your life you I'm like oh my goodness this is the most Canadian

1:17:20

mystical nonsense I've ever heard and like k

1:17:26

with bad theology here is what he is you know and I'm I'm Blown Away Jordan sit

1:17:32

down stop talking about the Bible and I know that Jeremy boring over there the daily wire is probably in your ears

1:17:37

saying you know talk about the Bible we got to Nashville here bro we got to talk about you know we got to talk about this Jesus stuff we living here in Nashville

1:17:44

and uh I mean but I'm just like he's so bad but you know and I'm not saying Jordan Peterson's wrong on everything

1:17:50

I've listened to him on a couple things and I thought that was that was pretty insightful about human behavior and you know and and underlying causes and

1:17:57

psychological type stuff and I think that's very interesting fascinating because I I you know I was going to be a policeman so um so human behavior has

1:18:06

always been something I've kind of studied and watched and underlying causes of why people behave the way they do um that's always been interest of

1:18:13

mine I think Jordan Peterson has said some very interesting things in that regard but when he gets in the Bible he

1:18:19

becomes an enemy of the Gospel very quickly MH and I I have no confidence in anything theological com out of that

1:18:26

man's mouth no sir not at all he was doing that stuff um back before he

1:18:31

became really big like in 2016 2017 that's when he did his original series of Genesis lectures which it was just a

1:18:39

a small town Small Time Canadian professor at one theater somewhere in

1:18:44

Toronto giving a lecture to a few thousand people it just did very well on YouTube millions of views Etc I don't

1:18:50

know that everyone watched it and understood all of it because I would be I was on a road trip at the time and so

1:18:56

I'd be listening to those lectures and I would have to back it up and listen to things again but it's one thing for a

1:19:02

small town I've said this many times it's one thing for a smalltime Canadian Professor to talk about the stuff when

1:19:08

he was just about to get subject to massive cancellation from around the world right so he was not a big deal at

1:19:13

the time it's very different to bring that same attitude when he's probably the world's number one public

1:19:19

intellectual right now so he's dusting off his his his material from say his first album to a much bigger audience

1:19:26

and I just I don't think it's holding up as well as it did Back Then when fewer people were paying attention to it right

1:19:33

right and and and what you said is very important to understand about Jordan Peterson he's filtering everything he knows through a union mindset and Carl

1:19:41

Young was a gnostic and people don't know that about this man this man was practicing mystery

1:19:46

religion yes he was and uh you know he's talking about the abraxis and all that type stuff and the Man by pure

1:19:53

definition was a pure tic he was an enemy of the gospel and um and I I him

1:19:59

and Freud both were terrible you know if you're going to be theologically sound you going to have to avoid those two uh

1:20:05

those two black holes of error right there so um I I think I think he's kind

1:20:11

of trying to be trying to be a voice for Christianity with but he's but he's

1:20:17

tainted by gnosticism and and that's that that that

1:20:23

makes him like I think if the Apostle Paul write a letter to the American church right now I think Jordan Peterson will be told to stay away from MH and by

1:20:31

name and because he's he's just not good but everybody's like well but I like him he's so he's he he's on our side he's on

1:20:39

the Republican side and he's a member of the daily wire and they stand for America and freedom and and and that's

1:20:46

the that's the danger of all this stuff yeah we probably vote the same but we don't believe the same when it comes to the Bible that's right and uh so that

1:20:54

and that's that's where people get they're just so shallow today they just you know like I can believe in Donald

1:20:59

Trump being a good president without making him a good Theologian you know what I mean and as very good Theologian

1:21:05

oh yeah as a theologian he's laughably insanely I mean two Corinthians you know

1:21:11

I know the Bible I love nobody loves the Bible more than me by the way I've never asked for forgiveness of my sin you know

1:21:16

I don't even go to church and I okay whatever I mean I'll vote for you just

1:21:22

just go just go fix the economy and leave me alone man and uh so that's what I want him to do

1:21:28

but yeah I mean that's that's the problem people today we I think it goes back to evangelicalism being uh too

1:21:34

obsessed with with celebrities and I've even heard Todd fre

1:21:39

say that we we we engaged the culture so much we became the culture The Wretched

1:21:44

wretched radio yeah I think he even said that and um for him to say that I thought was a big deal but um I do think

1:21:53

so I think evangelicals are too celebrity driven and not truth driven and principal driven and uh that leaves

1:21:59

them open to swallowing things that they should never accept because a celebrity

1:22:05

like Russell bran said so that's right and um and that's that's all good and I you know like you got guys like Michael

1:22:13

nolles Russell Brand Jordan Peterson I mean I would even say Alex

1:22:18

Jones um are all saying things about God in the Bible that are completely

1:22:24

dangerously heretical like way off the ranch heretical but right-wing

1:22:30

evangelicals are like yeah it's America yep that's that's right that's right I'm like no that's not right that's not

1:22:36

right and then they look at me like I'm the kill jooy and I'm just the meano legalistic fical fundamentalist Baptist preacher who drinks too much coffee and

1:22:43

says too much on the internet and so that's all but that's what people do to

1:22:48

me they might have a point there though that might be half true

1:22:56

whatever okay so so I want to get back to third adom too but the here's I want to ask one quick question and then we'll

1:23:01

get back to the series of films so when I object to a lot of these uh new professions of Faith whether it be

1:23:07

Russell Brand or uh Nala being another one that we don't have to focus on her the I I get a lot of push back saying

1:23:14

don't quench the spirit you know they're so close who are you to judge their sanctification only God judge the heart

1:23:20

you know it's the same stuff that I get over and over again and I know look I don't know where they're at on their road to sanctification I don't have that

1:23:27

Vision but I know that they're saying things that desperately need to be corrected and that they don't appear to

1:23:33

be seeking correction in their own lives I've said many times about Russell Brand I don't know if his profession of faith

1:23:39

is sincere but I do know that the man has a ton of money and influence and he can pick up the phone and call literally

1:23:45

anybody or take a year off and just read to understand the Christian faith and he's not doing that and so I think that

1:23:51

that's a fair critique what's your response to the people that immediately completely rushed to the defense of these

1:23:57

celebrities um here's what I want to tell and it's a hard-hitting truth that everybody needs to hear okay celebrities

1:24:03

are very stupid people I don't

1:24:08

disagree celebrities are morons okay they're stupid they are dumb humans room

1:24:16

IQ temperature mouth breathing

1:24:22

neanderthals who who might be extremely

1:24:27

goodlook okay okay don't let me

1:24:33

interrupt and for us to get excited about them contributing to the intellectual discourse of our age is

1:24:41

folly okay and I'm sorry I can't I'm sorry I'm

1:24:47

sorry okay it's like we're doing a skit and we just can't keep it keep this is

1:24:52

like an SNL skit gone wrong I mean I mean they are they're just dumb

1:24:59

people okay I mean who who really wants to get their their world viiew from

1:25:05

Taylor Swift I mean for real I mean I

1:25:10

mean I I don't look to anything on the view and say man that's a Powerhouse of intellectual value right there you know

1:25:17

um and these are dumb these are dumb people these are Fallen depraved low

1:25:23

character people who have nothing to offer I mean like you look at Drake and his stupidity I mean the man makes a

1:25:30

living going like this online and you know just he just he acts like he's a like a completely I don't know I just

1:25:38

like I I don't these people are not worth anything okay um so why are we why

1:25:46

are we glad to hear them they they they bring nothing to the table other than maybe a cute face and maybe they've been

1:25:52

on a few TV screens that we've noticed in our life but being famous doesn't mean that you're smart and it doesn't

1:25:59

mean that you know what you're talking about okay um Tom Cruz is a member of the Church of

1:26:05

Scientology and so is John Travolta and um you know these people are

1:26:11

morons and uh they're you know they profess to be wise but they they while they profess to be wise they themselves

1:26:17

became fools and I think I think you know you can put whatever medal all over them and award all over them and just

1:26:23

you know put them on whatever red carpet you want to but if they're an idiot before God they're just a fool MH and uh

1:26:30

so keep that in mind um I like the idea that when the Apostle Paul got saved he

1:26:35

went to the desert of Arabia for three years and sat with the Lord and and L and learned okay and then when he came

1:26:44

back the early church didn't want nothing to do with him because he he was what he was a man who who captured and

1:26:50

killed Christians and it wasn't until I believe it was Andrew saw sat with him

1:26:55

and talked to him I believe his I believe was disciple Andrew and and verified and vetted him said I think

1:27:01

he's okay won't we just give him a shot let's talk to him then he kind of excuse me then he kind of went to the church

1:27:07

and got involved with them and then he started serving in the local church at uh

1:27:13

Antioch and then after a few years of service in his local church we're

1:27:18

talking I don't know how many years like six years after his conversion then the holy spirit says

1:27:23

separate me Paul and Barnabas for the work and two I've called them acts 13 verse number one and two there and

1:27:29

Russell Bran's not doing that Kanye West did not do that Nal is not doing that um

1:27:35

these people are need to sit down and be quiet and learn something and then sit

1:27:40

under Spiritual Authority and then be vetted and then from there maybe you can

1:27:45

bring some to the conversation but just because you got million dollars in in the bank you got a few Golden Globes and

1:27:50

you got an Oscar you got something like that does not make you an authority on anything thing no more than okay let's

1:27:56

just say okay let's just say hypothetically hypothetically you got let's say Dwayne

1:28:02

Johnson The Rock okay let's say hypothetically he wants to go join a taekwan doe gym all right he's big he's

1:28:11

strong he's been a movie star but you put that man in a taekwon doe tournament

1:28:16

with black belts he's going to get killed mhm cuz he doesn't know anything the man needs to go sit and be a white

1:28:23

belt and he needs to learn something he needs to learn his basic haah Haya type stuff and his kicks and he needs to

1:28:28

learn how to block he needs to learn how the whole system of everything and then maybe once he learned something we can

1:28:34

put him in and let him compete a little bit I would say the same with jiu-jitsu I've done Jiu-Jitsu uh I did it for

1:28:40

years and I'm kind of out of it now but I I I know enough to know that if you put me into an internment with black

1:28:47

belts I'm goingon to get killed and it doesn't matter how many YouTube subscribers I have or how famous I am how much money I am or whatever I I have

1:28:54

you get on that mat you're going to get hurt if you don't know anything and these people are actually out there competing for Christ in the public Arena

1:29:01

and they don't even have a white belt they're not even taking the first theology class they don't even know what they're talking about and and they're

1:29:07

making a mess of everything and and it's not good I think

1:29:12

they need to be sat down they need to be quiet for a long time and learn just like anybody else had to I agree I'm

1:29:18

really looking forward to our next podcast when I find out what you really think yeah I'm sorry I and just I

1:29:25

apologize I no just forgive me I'm not I'm not well and um I've laid in bed for

1:29:31

six seven days with the flu a and I'm I've had all this pinup rage and anger

1:29:37

last night's live stream was a disaster by the way I lost like 30 subscribers on my channel and and it was just I'm

1:29:42

trying over here brother will pray for me I will what did you do last night on the live I was on the live stream for a

1:29:47

little bit what did you do did I miss that oh I just talked about things and uh

1:29:57

and just people didn't like what I had to say and brother I'm telling you every time I do a live stream I lose

1:30:03

subscribers every time it's supposed to go the other way I know it's the opposite that every every time I do live

1:30:09

streams I I'll like have like 20,538 when I start my live stream and

1:30:16

then I'll set it down I'll do my live stream I'll pick it back up and I'll have 2,462 and I like lost 90 subscribers

1:30:23

like what did I do you didn't need them anyway I know they they just dead weight I guess we'll send

1:30:29

some of mine over to you okay so so let's go back let's go back to the the film so we talked about third Adam one

1:30:36

and that led us on a sorry this has been this has been the most radical add live

1:30:41

stream I've ever done brother I'm sorry oh you're right but it's wonderful no this is this is this is a

1:30:49

lot of fun uh this is I'm loving this so so um so we so we talked about let's talk about third adom 2 I think you said

1:30:54

third adom 2 was the one that was about paganism and kind of how paganism functions a little bit so the third adom

1:31:01

one was a little bit about this New Apostolic Reformation seven Mountain mandate you know some of some of some of

1:31:07

the um the heretical ideas within the church that are masquerading and about Christianity and so from there what was

1:31:13

what was third adom 2 about like sort of jumping off of from the first one okay third Adam to I wanted to strike in the

1:31:19

heart of um of paganism now what I did um is I took the ideas there's a man

1:31:26

named Alexander Hislop and a lot of people don't agree with what Hislop has said about paganism

1:31:33

and and stuff like that and Hislop basically um tried to prove the idea that the Catholic church is a merger of

1:31:40

Christianity and old and ancient paganism is what he tried to do um and a

1:31:46

lot of people criticize his work matter of even Wesley Huff criticizes his work uh very viciously um and

1:31:55

the problem with criticizing Hislop is that Hislop tries to articulate mystery religion but mystery religion is a

1:32:00

moving Target it's all over the place so it may in this Century it might have been this but in this Century it's probably this and this Century it's this

1:32:06

so it's it's kind of a moving Target uh but I think you got the basics down but one thing that I looked at in his work

1:32:14

and tried to look at today was the idea of nimrod simis and tamuz the Pagan

1:32:19

Trinity and um and I think that largely he's correct on on that concept

1:32:28

I think that Nimrod had a consortest named saramis I think that's historically accurate um and I think

1:32:35

that um that Nimrod died and that in order to keep the worship of nimrod going um she she had a baby and that was

1:32:43

named saramis and that saramis was um was considered the Reincarnation of

1:32:48

nimrod and so basically the the religion was created where we worshiped a mother

1:32:54

and the son deity figure who was The Reincarnation of of nimrod and we could

1:32:59

called him simis and basically that became a pagan version of Christianity

1:33:04

if if you will if we just put it that way like a pagan um goddess worship the mother and son there was a religion

1:33:10

where they worship the Divine mother and the holy son and um that somehow weaved

1:33:16

throughout history and kind of uh I think that was Baal worship Baal was the son um people don't realize but I think

1:33:23

Baal and Old Testament was saramis excuse me Bale was was tamuz um and actually I think Bale you

1:33:30

know and tamuz and Nimrod kind of have this overlapping thing anytime you see a man a bull man like a like a man with

1:33:37

bull horns big strong ox man that's that's a picture of nimrod and so Baal

1:33:42

was Nimrod ashth in the Old Testament was a picture of the Goddess woman it was it was saramis in a sense and um so

1:33:50

there you go um but this it kind of weaves it all through history and today you have Roman Catholicism which we

1:33:56

worship the virgin mother we call her Mary instead of saramis um and then we also have the the the Divine son that we

1:34:03

call him Jesus instead of tamuz um now if you want to if you want to critique

1:34:08

that idea you have to remember in the Book of Ezekiel chapter number8 I believe there were women weeping for

1:34:14

tamuz okay so this tamuz worship was a thing and it did exist and by the way

1:34:20

that whole that whole Ashen cross that Catholics do on on Ash Wednesday that's not a that's not the cross of Calvary

1:34:26

that's a tea for tamuz that's exactly what that is and and when the Catholic church is taking Pagan practices out of

1:34:32

Ezekiel chapter 8 and they're putting it in today's context and we're practicing this calling to Ash Wednesday somebody's

1:34:38

missed the boat somewhere and so that's that's exactly what is going on um and um so how does

1:34:48

that manifest itself today well it manifests itself itself today in Roman Catholicism and Roman Catholicism is

1:34:54

probably the largest mystery cult in the world and when when these contemporary

1:35:00

worship musicians are using the experience of this this mystical nosis likee experience that they're getting

1:35:06

from their casting crown CDs and they're realizing that Catholics are having the same experience over there using

1:35:13

contemporary worship they can easily come together and so what you have is the mystery Cult of Roman Catholicism

1:35:18

and leftwing undiscerning evangelicals merging together and creating a new religion and that's the danger of of all

1:35:24

this is that they're literally walking into a one world mystery cult and uh and that's basically what we talked about

1:35:29

try to expose in third adom 2 making all the kinds of friends in the world we got Mormons we got celebrity

1:35:35

worshippers we got Roman Catholics today yeah so I so I I think you as I recall

1:35:41

you drew a lot of information from the The Book of Enoch right which is which is not something that I'm familiar with

1:35:47

is that I mean I've course have heard of it I've never read it is that considered a historical document it's not canonical

1:35:53

scripture but it it seems to be quite influential in in in many circles who research these topics no I I've never

1:35:58

used the Book of Enoch for anything oh okay me I never have never touched it I don't believe in it I don't I think it's a bunch of junk um I do not believe it's

1:36:06

it's historically accurate I don't think it's even um I've never used it never

1:36:12

okay oh okay great that's good that's good to know because I I've I've seen I've seen it referenced in many similar

1:36:18

research maybe not in yours but I've seen it research in similar research okay so um so this case that you are

1:36:26

making within uh within Roman Catholicism um talk a little bit more

1:36:31

about that because I think a lot of people would look at the I I don't think it's it's uh debatable that Roman

1:36:37

Catholicism is is itself a syncretic tradition that it absorbs other aspects

1:36:42

and it quote baptizes them and then and then calls them Christians so to talk a little bit more about this because as I recall some of the symbolisms present on

1:36:49

the cine Chapel ceiling correct uh yeah I mean um the in third Adam 3 we showed

1:36:55

you how the cistin chapel where you know you have God reaching out and touching the finger of Adam um up in inside that

1:37:04

that entity that we call God there is there is a woman figure next to that go

1:37:11

we'll call him God the Father there's a woman figure next to him and then God the father's finger is reaching out

1:37:17

touching the shoulder of a baby up there so you have inside the 16 Chapel you

1:37:23

have Nimrod simis and tamuz there and by the way Michelangelo who who painted all

1:37:29

that was agnostic the men was not a Christian at all so the man's literally painting mystery cult religion on the

1:37:36

ceiling and everybody's like oh look at this this is one of the greatest Christian pieces of art ever done and

1:37:41

it's just not true just not true at all and so um it's it's very problematic is

1:37:48

what we're trying to say there so we're going to be uh we're going to be talking about that kind of stuff uh probably a little bit more in the future well yeah

1:37:54

there's been a lot of discussion lately about Mary being the Queen of Heaven as well that seems to go that seems to go

1:38:00

around on X from time to time lately more often lately actually well I mean

1:38:05

if you remember in the book of Jeremiah there was a strong rebuke given to those who worship the Queen of Heaven and the

1:38:11

Queen of Heaven saramis that was asth and and these people these people

1:38:16

literally are worshiping Baal and ashth and Satan calling it God the Father uh

1:38:22

you know uh the mother Mary and God the son Jesus you know all you got to do is

1:38:28

just put a different name on it and and call it instead of calling it uh you know Baal let's just call him God the

1:38:33

father now and ultimately you're still practicing the same religion even though you've put a different uh you know

1:38:38

you've you've put a different label on the name but that's what these people are doing I think I think the Roman

1:38:44

Catholic clergy are the prophets of baale on Mount

1:38:50

Carmel they are they are they are the modern day prophets of Baal that Elijah

1:38:55

opposed on Mount Carmel crying and cutting themselves I mean you see these guys over in the Philippines they'll

1:39:00

they'll put blades on a on a rope and they'll do this you know for days and hit themselves in their back and and you

1:39:06

just go look that up that's a Roman Catholic thing I think they do it for lint and they they'll their their backs

1:39:11

will be bleeding for days doing this and and it's it's a self flatulation it's a

1:39:17

form of penance it's exactly what the prophets of Baal did on Mount Carmel the

1:39:23

same thing and um and so these you know these dudes walking around with black

1:39:29

robes on and they're dressing like a like a mother and they've never been married don't have no kids and call themselves father you know weird people

1:39:36

like that um they are the prophets of Bale there there's no question biblically they they match it perfectly

1:39:44

there was a video going around I think it was last week about um it was a big Pro procession somewhere probably in

1:39:50

Europe these men in black robes with very tall pointy hats carrying a giant

1:39:55

beer or float or something it was it was a crazy thing to see with all the

1:40:01

incense and I remember James White did a video about it I just you look at that and you sort of say these are the

1:40:06

dangers of valuing tradition too highly I I thought they I thought they were playing that was on protesta and um I

1:40:14

thought they were playing a a video clip of Elden ring or something like that that's what I thought they were doing I

1:40:19

didn't realize that was a Roman Catholic procession yeah so I'm like yeah I beat

1:40:24

that that boss with my intelligence build on elen ring you know so but then

1:40:30

I realized it was Roman Catholic and so if I'm sorry brother I'm sorry I'm no I

1:40:36

mean look it just it looks it it but you look at that and you and you say that is

1:40:41

many things but can you really can you really call that Christian right like

1:40:46

and I don't mean to accuse the people doing it like I don't I'm not saying anything about their salvation I just

1:40:51

mean that you look at that and you say whatever that is grew out of something that is not the Bible it grew out of

1:40:57

some completely other thing that has now been syncretized into a into a global uh

1:41:03

in a sense version of Christianity but that departs radically from any message

1:41:09

of of the Gospel itself yeah yeah sure sure absolutely does and and

1:41:15

but it's the illusion of power you know we hold this office of the Catholic church and we've been around a long time

1:41:22

so how could we be wrong wrong um well you are and there there's

1:41:28

something called the Bible that was around before you are and we follow that rather than you guys and we use the

1:41:33

Bible as a standard of faith and practice and I really think that's that's the thing today is that Christianity has got to be bible-based

1:41:41

okay I don't I don't follow any Creed I mean this whole 1689 Creed that a lot of

1:41:47

Bap I don't I don't follow no Creed I I have I have a statement of faith on my website that helps you and people who

1:41:54

look at me and and want to understand where I fall on certain issues I have that on there uh but I I believe the

1:42:01

Bible as the standard and I I throw all Creeds out I fall all Traditions out I

1:42:06

throw everything out and if it's in the Bible I practice it and we've got to make that the standard again rather than

1:42:12

you know I mean I heard a lot of men in in the Baptist World say John O Rice did this well I don't care what John rice did I want to know what the Bible

1:42:18

teaches me to do and and if we can just follow the Bible and not be not allow

1:42:24

our eyes and influence and vision of theology to be tainted by institutions like the Catholic church or other

1:42:31

presuppositional things um then then I think we could be okay but you know RC

1:42:38

Sproul said is no substitute for the Bible said and as much respect I have for the man you you just can't the men

1:42:44

are men let you know let let God be true and all men a liar that's what the Bible

1:42:50

clearly teaches so I'm going to go with what the Bible says and just do that and I think if everybody will develop that

1:42:55

attitude I think it'll cut out a lot of this nonsense that we're facing today I I think just let the Bible be the rule

1:43:02

the standard of faith and practice which has always been a Baptist distinctive one of the reasons why I'm a Baptist um

1:43:08

and and and if we can just follow that I think we'll be a lot better off and you're a Baptist not Bap not a Baptist

1:43:15

it's a big difference well yeah I'm a b Big B Baptist is what I call myself mhm and uh Baptist born Baptist bread and

1:43:21

when I die I'll be Baptist dead so can I get an amen that's right that's right here we go hang on oh yeah here we

1:43:28

go so the sound effects have entered the chat yes okay so so let's go from there

1:43:34

into third adom and let's let's do third adom 3x because it's just a it uh is a

1:43:40

larger version of the same concept in in third adom 3 with more information because we talked about Mary and the Queen of Heaven and and uh and saramis

1:43:48

and temuz so what what was third ad because this was the first thing that I saw was third adom 3 and and 3X what was

1:43:54

that about because that was why my friend showed it to me because he heard me talk about my time in the New Age and

1:43:59

and what's involved with that sort of feminism the religion um and so let's let's talk about that film now yeah

1:44:06

third Adam 3x I expanded upon um a lot of a lot of ideas that we had third Adam

1:44:12

3 but I want to try to um I wanted to try my best to expand upon the ideas of

1:44:18

goddess worship and things like that let's see here I just pulled up here on my screen um and there was a lot of um

1:44:25

we talked about gnosticism but we also talked about um the idea of of just ways

1:44:32

that it's um ways that this manifests itself in American culture for example I believe with all my heart that the

1:44:39

Statue of Liberty is a sign of mystery religion and I I've I've done the research on it I know what I'm talking

1:44:44

about we we articulate that in there um and you know we even talked about the Knights Templar and that's something I

1:44:51

think a lot of people don't really understand today is that the Knights Templar worshiped Satan and that's

1:44:57

that's a big deal and that's one of the reasons why I I don't endorse like the Crusades and and things like that

1:45:04

because the Crusades were um Crusades were quite frankly a a example of Bad

1:45:11

Religion it was really what it was is dominionism is what it was um and if these Christian nationalist guys get

1:45:16

their way that's they're that's what they're going to be doing um you know baptizing your babies by force that's

1:45:23

not that is not where we need to go and um so there's actually a section in

1:45:28

third adom 3 probably two and a half hour mark we talk about something called the atbash

1:45:34

cipher and the atbash cipher was a cipher that they used to code all their messages amongst the uh the Knights

1:45:40

Templar and they worshiped something called the Sophia and the Sophia was the the mother

1:45:46

goddess the uh the female Holy Spirit Well if you run the word Sophia through the at bash Cipher you find it it

1:45:53

translates to the word baffet yeah wow that's a real thing and

1:46:01

um and the abash cipher is not a very simp it's not a very difficult thing to understand all you got to do is just take you know take a and just kind of

1:46:08

flip the alphabet underneath it so Z is a and then B is you know y it's really a

1:46:13

simple Cipher um but when they talk about the Divine Sophia you run through

1:46:18

the abash cipher they're talking about the bamat and it's it's it's amazing how it worked like that but that's that's

1:46:23

what that it did but the Knights Templars were um they were Mystics they were um they were in a sense uh what you

1:46:31

would call X-Men kind of deals like they were using Spirit power to learn how to fight and to wage war and then also we

1:46:38

got into the idea of the um that you might uh appreciate this in Hinduism something called the

1:46:43

nagas which were the all wise serpent men who had knowledge nadus yes and uh

1:46:51

and you could probably tell about that but we got into that they they belied that there was a Divine wisdom that you

1:46:57

could have from a serpent and even in in a lot of Hindu text they believe that

1:47:02

the Book of Genesis the serpent was the good guy and he rescued Adam and Eve

1:47:07

from a prison called The Garden of Eden and they straight up luciferianism that's exactly what it is but but that's

1:47:15

being practiced today in in the sense that um the the prison that you're locked

1:47:21

into is fundamentally and Bible Doctrine mhm and so we're going to release you

1:47:26

from that prison be release you from the spirit of religion and let you go fly free little birdie into this new age

1:47:33

beautiful land of happiness that we live in and that that right there in so many

1:47:39

different words is being articulated from the pulpit of Steven Ferd's church every week and so does Bill Johnson he

1:47:45

believes that too but they just word a little bit different and so that's why we call this stuff out and and the

1:47:51

Knights Templar is a great historical IAL example of this because they claim to be Christian and everybody kind of

1:47:56

let their guard down and said well these are good Christian boys who just want to go fight for the kingdom what's what's the problem with that but they were

1:48:01

actually luciferian psychos and caused a big problem in the world and um so

1:48:08

that's that's where all that went and the third Adam Three we really dig into that stuff and it's um I think it's powerful I I really enjoyed that one I

1:48:15

wasn't planning on making that one but when I when my audience found out I left a little bit on the table uh from third

1:48:21

adom 3 they they insisted they insisted that I make it so I just I'm a man of the people brother I did it

1:48:27

for them you know so but we talked about the Divine Sophia we talked about uh Athens we talked about um Athena we

1:48:34

talked about uh frigga we talked about um uh the ancient gods of Rome and

1:48:39

Greece and things like that and how all that applies today to the female Holy Spirit that's being used in churches

1:48:46

today and being promoted in churches today and uh very interesting little documentary if I say so myself I think

1:48:52

so weren't the Knights Templar weren't they weren't they stealing mystical documents like the Corpus hermeticum and

1:48:59

stuff like that and that's what led to the medich acquiring it which contributed to the Renaissance and weren't they the first ones to have a

1:49:06

bank that was issuing loans isn't that where Usery came from was the Templars M yeah the Templars basically okay you

1:49:12

live in England but you want to go to Jerusalem you want to move to Jerusalem well you got 500 lb of gold you can't go

1:49:18

through all through Europe and through you know the Middle East with all that you'll get killed what you do is you give it all to the Templars you let them

1:49:25

have it and they write you a a a cood a a check saying this is how much gold you

1:49:31

gave us a certified check you just take that check to the Middle East and they just give you that much gold back and so

1:49:36

that's how their banking system started but they they would charge interest on that and they acquired massive amounts

1:49:41

of wealth um and and it all disappeared whenever uh the king of France you know

1:49:48

uh arrested all of them uh I think it kind of went underground and I think in modern day Rothchild Bilderberg that

1:49:54

kind of crowd is in charge of all that type of well today U that's just my opinion but um but yes the the Templars

1:50:02

were were catholic Mystics that went to the Middle East and kind of cross-pollinated a little bit

1:50:07

with the Sufi Mystics and I think that they realized they they adopted some of their practices and so a lot of these

1:50:13

these these books that you're talking about I think they did acquire a lot of that stuff and some of that did make his way back up into Europe and I think it

1:50:19

it and you know further pushed people down the rabbit hole of mystery religion in the Catholic Church absolutely um now

1:50:27

all the ins and outs of that I'm not totally sure but definitely they cross-pollinated with the Sufi Mystics

1:50:34

and I think um there's um oh I forget the name of the guy he's um uh I got him

1:50:40

here in the documentary um they put him in a Assassin's Creed video

1:50:45

game um what is his name but they were they were these Muslim assassins no um that doesn't ring a bell

1:50:53

there were these Muslim assassins that um used mystery religions and and drugs

1:51:00

and psychedelics to uh make themselves more powerful in battle and um and the

1:51:06

Knights Templars uh got to learn a lot of what they did and then um they learned the assassination game and they

1:51:13

learned how to you know rather than go in open battle just kind of sneak around and kill people um that way um let's see

1:51:20

I'm trying to find it here in my in my documentary isn't the Assassin's Creed games aren't you killing the Templars

1:51:25

aren't you an assassin play that play is doesn't your character kill the Templars yeah yeah but but you're you're um it's

1:51:32

a little bit different angle of it but yeah um you fight basically everybody but one of the one of the main Muslim

1:51:38

leaders that did all that he was in um he was in that the Assassin's Creed game

1:51:43

I'm trying to find it here but anyway the the whole idea of using drugs to

1:51:49

create a superpower using psychic type stuff to

1:51:54

do tactical Espionage upon your enemies is what the American CIA got to be doing

1:52:01

in time and so I think that the American government in some in some ways is a

1:52:08

continuation of the work of the Knights Templars and that's a whole different

1:52:13

rabbit hole we can go into at some other time I'm I'm my coffee's wearing off but um you know but yeah there's there's a

1:52:20

lot to this this is not this is not simple stuff here but um yeah there's a there's a lot to I I need to find out

1:52:26

who that is cuz that's very interesting stuff um and skip my mind but yeah that's what they did not not good so

1:52:33

before your coffee fully wears off and you turn into the small version just regular Mario instead of Super Mario so

1:52:40

so because earlier you had the fireflow and you're just throwing Fireballs so let's let let's make sure to spend some

1:52:46

time on third atom 4 then because third atom 4 I think from from what I recall was probably your most uh I would say

1:52:53

complex uh topic where you cover the the the broadest range of subjects sort of synthesizing them into a single picture

1:53:01

uh of of what mystery religion is and how it shows up today so let's let's spend some let's spend some time on

1:53:06

there before we land the plane okay okay so I gotta Focus my chi here all right

1:53:15

um um third out of four pray for him everybody pray for him yes yes um okay

1:53:22

third Adam four I wanted to understand what the I

1:53:27

what this Spirit energy was that they were using and what the point of it was

1:53:33

and how this Spirit energy could be used to um and and used in the physical world

1:53:40

and so what I discovered was is that the whole idea of a lot of esoteric nonsense and esoteric practices is

1:53:48

to do physical rituals in the physical world that manipulate spiritual energy

1:53:53

outside the physical world so that that Spirit energy can affect the physical world if that makes sense I think you'll

1:54:00

understand that and that's what I'm trying to word it in such a way that an audience understands it like for example I've got this this pen sitting here and

1:54:06

I do a ritual so Spirit energy comes in this world and then suddenly this pin levitates or something of that nature um

1:54:13

that is what the occult that's what Wizardry is that's what they're trying to do they're they're doing and you see people do this in movies all the time

1:54:19

you Gandalf the wizard Harry Potter series they're doing all this they're they're trying to use Spirit energy to

1:54:25

manipulate physical objects and the physical world um matter of fact I I think that's one of the implications of

1:54:31

the phrase As Above So Below as within so without that's what that is talking about in in reference to that to to in

1:54:39

one angle that's what it it it references um but what we've what what I

1:54:44

discovered was is that this translates into

1:54:49

different contexts throughout different times in history is different things like one of the things that it context

1:54:55

it manifests itself as is the idea of manifestation like I can speak things

1:55:00

into existence I can speak Prosperity I can speak health I can speak wealth and

1:55:05

that's what new age people do there matter fact there's a documentary series called the secret that believes on this it's a book it's called The Secret and

1:55:11

all you got to do is speak things into existence if you want to be rich just get up every day and look in the mirror and say I am rich I am strong I've got a

1:55:19

a million dollars in the bank and that's what I and and if you say say these things then the spirit energy of the

1:55:25

universe starts to work in your behalf so that that becomes an actual physical

1:55:31

reality in your life and um you translate that into the

1:55:36

charismatic world it is the idea of decree and declare I decree I speak matter of fact there's charity Gil

1:55:43

actually has that song called I speak Jesus and it's the same concept is the

1:55:49

idea of I'm going to speak Jesus over this person who has a drug addiction I'm

1:55:54

GNA speak Jesus over you and just and just ooey gooey just like a wizard just get that Spirit Jesus energy on you and

1:56:01

just just roll you all in it and just and that way eventually you'll become a more holy person or you'll be healthier

1:56:08

and wealthier and you'll be set free from addictions and um you know I'm going to speak Jesus over my finances

1:56:14

speak Jesus over my family speak Jesus over my bad back speak Jesus over my broke down car um you you're you're

1:56:21

practicing the occult but you're using the word Jesus as a as a cover for it

1:56:27

and that's what makes it so dangerous and deceptive and um and that's what we're trying to talk about in third out

1:56:32

of four now we talk about different areas of it um I I went into um the martial arts world I actually literally

1:56:37

put videos in there and I was shocked that they were on the internet there are men out there who know how to focus Chi

1:56:43

and martial arts and they and they know how to just you know they know how to just put all this Spirit energy on one

1:56:48

point and they can touch a pile of newspapers and that pile of newspapers will burn and catch on fire um and

1:56:55

that's to me that's something right out of of out of X-Men that's that's what Dragon Ball Z does and we put a lot of

1:57:01

Dragon Ball Z references in there um I mean that's I I remember as a kid watching the X-Men the Animated Series

1:57:08

on Fox Saturday morning cartoons and watching Jubilee do this with her hands and spirit energy came out of her hands

1:57:15

and blew up you know uh arcade machines blew up the Sentinels and I'm thinking

1:57:21

that's that's exactly what they occult is I was watching the occult as a child and didn't even know it um and that

1:57:27

that's that's what that's what esoteric stuff is and when you see these charismatic healers they're touching

1:57:34

people and they're falling on the ground I think that's real I don't think that's fake I don't think they're just acting

1:57:39

that out I think it's real and I think that the spirit energy that's going through men like Kenneth Copeland and Benny hen is obviously not the Holy

1:57:46

Spirit it is the same esoteric spirit that the mystery Faith Healers of the Far East had that the Hindu yogis had

1:57:52

and I think it's I think it's the same mystery religion just with a western packaging over top of it and we go

1:57:58

through and we talk about um the process of mystery religion I go through and talk about the doctrinal fruit of people

1:58:04

practicing mystery religion um I talked about the six symbols of the uh the gnosticism we talked about uh uh nosis

1:58:12

we talked about um let's see here we talked about nosis we talked about frequency we talked about vibration we

1:58:17

talked about uh the the three Realms we talked about um uh

1:58:22

uh those I those are basically it there and then later on in the documentary we talk about how that this manifest itself

1:58:28

throughout history with certain religious views and things like that uh very complicated work but I think we I

1:58:33

think we captured it pretty well and tried to uh get everybody on on the page with all that stuff but yeah the Knights

1:58:39

Templar believed all this charismatics today believe all this um most your Hollywood celebrities believe all this

1:58:45

stuff there you know I got Adele who's into crystals you got uh I even think Michael Jackson was into a lot of this

1:58:51

stuff but um matter of fact that I I even tell you this uh you referenced Super Mario Brothers uh oh yeah that's

1:58:59

why that's why the mushroom makes Mario bigger is because the mushroom releases Spirit energy inside of a man when he

1:59:05

does psychedelics and he becomes bigger and stronger more powerful version of itself that's exactly why that's in that

1:59:10

in that video game and we showed you that and U matter of fact we all we even talked about bails on Catholic churches

1:59:18

and the reason bails were put on churches is the same reason they were put on on Hindu temples in the Far East

1:59:23

and they put on Buddhist temples is because the frequency that the Bell hits

1:59:28

Wards off bad spirits and that's why they're on churches today so it's it's

1:59:34

an esoteric practice I remember that section of of third adom 4 and uh one of

1:59:40

the things that struck me about that documentary was from my experience inside the new age where none of this

1:59:47

stuff is it's not explicitly talked uh taught there's no like uh there's no sac

1:59:52

scripture in the New Age there's no like oh congratulations you are now a new Ager and now you will read our sacred text right it's just as you say it's

1:59:59

it's mystery religion it's very swampy it's easy to get lost in and there's no

2:00:04

fixed place to stand or critique it from from within and so uh but nonetheless as

2:00:10

I journeyed through that world for 20 years I was still sort of taking mental notes and sort of trying to understand

2:00:16

well what is this thing that I'm inside how does it world how does its worldview function what does it actually guide

2:00:22

people towards cuz there is there is a path not everyone is at the same place on the path some people stop in yoga and

2:00:28

that just becomes their thing other people build their own kind of version of religion but it seemed to me that

2:00:33

with uh I think it was s five or six symbols that you use to represent different aspects of of this Doctrine it

2:00:40

seemed to me that you had broken it down pretty clearly and understood again externally through study what I had come

2:00:48

to understand internally from living it for a long time mhm yeah yeah and and

2:00:53

that's uh that's the Lord's helped me to do all that stuff and you know we talked about the physical the sub physical and

2:00:58

the metaphysicals uh um part of all this um that was that was a wild study of

2:01:05

itself um I struggled even wondering if I should put that in there because it but but I just think it just added

2:01:11

another layer of context to help people give a little bit better understanding of it and um and I I just think it was

2:01:16

important to do so um but I'll tell you this um

2:01:22

that was probably the the biggest project I've ever done in my life mhm and I don't know if I'll I'll know I

2:01:28

don't know if I'll ever do another one that was that hard um but um because I I

2:01:34

mean really I think I put 3 hours 55 minutes and 26 seconds of material together um that took me a a year of my

2:01:43

life just to do that wow um I could have broke that down into 50 YouTube videos and been you know been just fine but I

2:01:51

think third out of five I'm I'm not going to do that heavy of stuff uh I'm going to try to not be that long and I'm

2:01:57

going to try to deal with some other stuff going forward but this this one was a it really was a lot of fun to make

2:02:02

uh 54,000 views in a year is not bad um so I enjoyed it but I think um I think

2:02:09

going forward we're probably going to do a little bit shorter ones and a little bit more more specific not as broad uh

2:02:14

perspective type stuff so just just a couple more questions then what's your process like are you watching videos are

2:02:21

you reading books do you have teams of researchers because again it took me 20 years of living this to learn this

2:02:27

material and it took you a year to produce the documentary which of course included the technical work you know

2:02:33

graphics and and video editing and music and all of this different stuff like how

2:02:38

did you go about learning all of the stuff like what sort of resources did you turn to well of course my the the

2:02:44

big research I use of course is the Bible obviously and I try to um I've heard of this book yes I I I have one

2:02:51

somewhere um and yeah I I I look at it every now and then especially around Christmas and um

2:02:59

but yeah um I I I try to I want the ground of everything I believe to be theological of course biblical uh but I

2:03:07

do when I'm looking for stuff I have people that I can call and say okay

2:03:14

here's what I'm curious about how does this work how does this angle of this work and I and God's given me a team of people uh and most of them don't even

2:03:21

know each other um across the world and I just say hey what do you think of this topic and and i' I've called you and asked you hey

2:03:26

what do you think of this MH and um and You' you've tell me what you know and and I appreciate that and so um I've

2:03:32

been able to kind of mishmash some information together and test it and to see okay is this what they're believe

2:03:39

okay uh you know got five people saying this is what it believes let's see what Alice Bailey said oh Alice Bailey said the same thing okay well that's must be

2:03:45

what's the new age believes um and then I say okay well now that now that my ex-

2:03:51

new AG friends believe say this what what's so Alice Bailey believes this let's see if step fdick saying the same thing oh yep step ferdi

2:03:58

say the same thing so um what are the odds yeah and after a while it freaks me

2:04:04

out man I'm just like yikes um I I'm I'm really am surprised at how blatant this

2:04:10

stuff is but I think um here's my caution with it um when I first got

2:04:16

saved I was told I want to do I wanted to preach on like the dangers of rock and roll like I wanted to expose Aussie

2:04:22

Osborne for what he was and you know that kind of stuff and I had I had preachers tell me said leave it all

2:04:28

alone don't mess with us that you go to kick up demons you know and just stay at all that and I think they were right to

2:04:34

some degree you don't just take that stuff head on and just you know baptize your brain and all that um you're GNA

2:04:41

you're going to mess yourself up um but God's given me a method in which to do

2:04:46

it to where I'm not really taking it on head on um I go exact I know exactly I'm

2:04:51

looking for I'll get out and I'll put it in documentary and kind of teach all that stuff um and really I don't I don't

2:04:58

have to go straight to deep into the dungeons of occultism and scoop up all

2:05:03

the Alistar Crowley stuff and kind of dwell in all that I don't have to do that I just have to understand a basic concept see where they believed it and

2:05:10

then just go right to the modern day church and see how they're teaching that too and at that point the job for me is

2:05:16

done at that point and so um that's really it and my my I'm kind of neurod

2:05:22

Divergent anyway which uh is kind of a a blessing but

2:05:28

um I I I just kind of know what I'm looking for and I go get it and put it out there and I just let I just ask the

2:05:34

Lord to lead me and where to go and what to say and what angle of this to cover and um so in third Adam five I got a

2:05:40

pretty well good idea in my mind of what we're going to do and it's going to be a blessing so um and uh I I'm I'm going to

2:05:47

come out to Utah to film a little bit if God let me so that'll be a blessing I'm

2:05:53

going to go I'm going to go straight to the Mormon Tabernacle and film at that location and uh if God will help me with

2:05:59

that I'd love to do it so that's what we're going to try to do third five Spencer Smith versus

2:06:05

Mormonism well yeah I'm kind of you I kind of think of myself as a Baptist Indiana Jones and uh you know going out

2:06:13

there on location to dig up the artifacts that kind no that's not true I'm just being funny you have the hat I

2:06:18

don't have the I don't even have the leather jacket or a whip or nothing like that I do have a pistol and um that's

2:06:26

about all I need but I do have these amazing sunglasses the Apostle sunglass I got to send you some of these brother please I gotta I got to anoint you as an

2:06:33

apostle I I would I would love that I'd be honored yeah we can do that especially I need to come out there to

2:06:39

Arizona and see and mean you go to that town was Sedona Jerome oh Sedona and Sedona and Jerome yeah Sedona is the

2:06:45

Happy Shiny New Age world and then Jerome is the dark occult underbelly

2:06:51

that scares me I I can't wait bro it scared me too I mean I had no idea I booked a men's retreat in Jerome and we

2:06:59

walked into town I was like what is this it's actually I think a lot of the town is owned by the lead singer of tul uh

2:07:05

mayor James Keenan and so we walked into he has a band called pfer and we walked into the pfer store and I'm like what is

2:07:12

this and that's just one example of the absolute weirdness that saturates that town this heavy darkness which is funny

2:07:19

because it's just 45 minutes from Sedona which is this new age kind of like you

2:07:24

know uh uh Mecca you might say and so that they're so close together is there really is no better example of the of

2:07:31

the of the two-faced version of mystery religion that you separate the the shiny

2:07:37

stuff from the darker occultic stuff but they really are the same thing MH yeah absolutely and um mayard that guy was my

2:07:46

favorite singer musician until I got saved and uh but I just love that I used

2:07:52

um I used some of their music in third Adam four I don't know if people caught it or not but uh it was there so it was

2:08:00

a wild that guy just his all his songs are about the oul like all of them yeah

2:08:05

their music the time signatures the use of Alex Gray psychedelic art all that stuff all that and and the themes

2:08:12

particularly of is it the undertoe album I mean it's all personal growth and

2:08:17

development and Trauma and narcism and yism like it's all woven in there it's wild well he did a song called Numa mhm

2:08:26

and that's about the false Holy Spirit and U and even though even the words in the song are you know red and yellow is

2:08:33

all I see you know come to me and uh reaching out to me um but he he's just

2:08:38

talking about having an out-of- body psychedelic experience and raising his Chi and um that man that man is so eat

2:08:45

up with demons he just eat up with it man MH so I feel bad for him future expose perhaps I'd love to

2:08:54

mhm third atom six maybe maybe yeah third atom six the Land of Confusion

2:09:00

coming in 2030 we might not have that long Brother The Singularity is coming I know I know

2:09:07

we're g to I got to get on it brother but uh third out of four took a chunk out of me it really did and um took a

2:09:13

chunk emotionally out of me uh a little bit spiritually it hurt me um it kind of

2:09:18

not hurt me but kind of drained me and uh but third Adam five is going to be is

2:09:23

going to it's coming and uh so I appreciate everybody's prayers on that if youall pray for me I I think this is a very important work I I think the

2:09:30

third Adam series is probably one I'm not going to say the but I'm gonna say one of the more important films for the

2:09:37

modern church and I I believe that I wouldn't say that just to say that um I think that it's a very real threat it

2:09:43

needs to be talked about and I think that um every Christian you don't even have to be a Baptist I think every

2:09:49

Christian out there needs to at least consider the thoughts that we're trying to imperfectly present to the body of

2:09:56

Christ and and see if there's any truth to them and see if we can help you with that stuff I agree brother praise God

2:10:03

well this has been another thrilling conversation within between the two of us we always have so much fun so um uh

2:10:11

thank you again for for who you are and and what you do and and where would you like to send people to learn more well

2:10:17

just check out our YouTube channel my name is Spencer Smith and go on there and um we try to uh we're we're putting

2:10:22

all that um on our YouTube channel go check that out and subscribe to our Channel and then also follow us on other

2:10:28

platforms as well we're on we're on X and Facebook and we post a lot of stuff there uh but I appreciate everybody just

2:10:34

trying to be a blessing to us and uh just go watch third adom available on YouTube and one two three 3x and four

2:10:41

and you'll you'll be blessed by those and it'll be a great thing so I appreciate you brother will Spencer I

2:10:46

love you man you're awesome and uh I'm just glad that my face and your face are on the same screen everybody associate

2:10:52

me with you from now on and uh that'll be really good I appreciate that praise God brother I love you too I appreciate

2:10:59

you so much thank you yeah brother